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Editado por Stillnyte:
5/23/2019 1:16:56 AM
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Here the reasoning behind the nerfs:
From someone who actually understands why the nerfs are needed.
English
#destiny2
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12 RespuestasHe and a lot of people on these forums don't understand that this is a looter shooter game. We grind for the loot and expect it to be powerful and worth the grind. Look at the Borderlands series. Granted not the exact same game; but when you get a super OP weapon in there you get to keep it and not worry about it getting nerfed. There is nothing fun or rewarding to do a mission like The Whisper for hours and hours only to get a very slightly better version of a legendary sniper.
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9 RespuestasYou shouldn’t try to use logic on these forums. The kids on here don’t know what it is and resort to responding with hate.
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Some of the nerfs needed to happen but some of them are just down right stupid. Shards and Ursa didn't need to be nerfed, didn't need a damage nerf to Sleepers bounces either. Ace of Spades was only doing well on pc yet it's getting nerfed on console.
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5 RespuestasI agree with basically all the nerfs, can't comment on shards of g or doomfamg/ursa. I also agree with basically everything slayer says in this video, had exact same thoughts before I watched it. But please don't post a video of some streamer or YTer, cite your own opinions sourced from your own experiences. Also I simply cannot understand the problem people have with these nerfs they make total sense. I get that giving us OP things in the first place and nerfing them is dumb. I get that there are useless exotics that need buffing . I get that it seems Bungie a priorities are messed up and they continually fail very hard at customer relations. You cannot convince me that these nerfs are not justified or for the better of the game for me personally.
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5 RespuestasEditado por BetweenMyself: 5/23/2019 4:17:48 AMIcebreaker in D1 clearly demonstrated why infinite ammo was problematic. With the Whisper in D2 it seems as though the devs believed that raising the bar to ‘infinite ammo, but only through skilled use’ would be a workable solution, but given the design decisions cited in the video they ended up turning the weapon into one that is primarily used in low risk situations, thus negating the ‘skilled use’ caveat. And full super bar regen from exotic armors should never have been a thing to begin with. It should have been capped at somewhere between 25 and 35% from the day the armors were introduced. If you want a crazy power fantasy where you can stomp all over everything in the game regardless of skill level, go play a single-player offline game. (΄◉◞౪◟◉｀)
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Editado por mj-starlight: 5/23/2019 6:44:15 AMThere are different game styles and rolls. The red war Zavala a Titan goes upfront and almost gets killed if not for Hawthorne sniping. I like to feel powerful and that is why I do all that tedious grinding. What you say would be engaging and fun is not for me. We should have a choice as to how we want to play. Iron Burden was great. It gave a choice. T3 even with chaining supers is not simple, requires lots of coordination and people who know how to use them. But hey, people want to go without supers, that could be a choice for hard cores you can get a nice reward for that. Nerfing is insulting to our efforts, instead Bungie should provide with challenges that require different strategies and weapons. Grinding for hours to level up and for weapons, and after that redoing an activity which was really hard and now feeling powerful in it that makes worth all that effort till next content comes. But this nerfing is replacing a lack of effort and creativity on the part of Bungie of providing real new challenges.
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5 RespuestasI’d rather longer, more engaging bosses etc with more phases. Nothing complex like spire of stars boss though. Add more phases, cap damage before shielded phases, add more add control phases, whatever. But making me weak isn’t fun. I understand it is hard to balance power fantasy and complexity, but surely it can be done.
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The reason is Bungie ,we have strikes 500 power nightfall 540 power, now make strikes 700 nightfall 710 so we need all best weapons we got. Bungie is lazy to upgrade events in time with higher powerlevel. No nerfs ,we need difficult events and strikes and nightfalls with good loot. Dont need youtubers just somebody at Bungie with clear mind thats all.
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13 RespuestasOk, here's the reason and only reason these nerfs have been introduced. PC. Using mouse and keyboard hitting crits with snipers or linear fusion rifles is infinitely easier than on consol. They cant just nerf weapons on pc so everyone takes the hit. It can't have escaped anyones notice that there are so many youtube videos of people soloing some of D2 most difficult quests. Pretty much all of them using pc. Bungie see this as a failure. Outbreak perfected heroic should never be achievable to solo less than a week of release. They ignore the cheesing that goes on in these videos. They ignore that most of these videos are by the guys who do nothing else in their lives but play video games. So because they can do it Bungie alter the game to make it more challengibg for them... totally ignoring every other player who arent that good with sleeper. They are about to release their new dlc with a new raid and you can bet your bullet that some of these encounters would be a breeze for the streamers with Skull of Dire Akamhara or Orphius Rigs. Whisper would melt through some of the bosses. Hence everything gets nerfed to make "worlds first" a little more difficult. People need to see that Bungie literally only cater to their streamer buddies and the rest of us can do one. Either accept that or move along. DMG literally told you all that they couldnt care less how upset you all are about the nerfs. Bungie have made NO comment about the thousands of complaints. They. Do. Not. Care.
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Editado por MindZer0: 5/23/2019 8:20:40 PMI actually kind of agree?? But only kind of. Like if boss and enemy mechanics weren't made the way they are than it makes sense but a lot of the bosses are designed in such a way that ENCOURAGES "safe" long distance gameplay (speaking specifically about Whisper.) especially when you think about what Well of Radiance does. I agree with that. And honestly I've always thought that when it comes to exotic armors, bungie shot themselves in the foot. Like super regen exotics should have never had that perk in the first place if this "wasn't what they intended." But now it's kind of too late so of course people are pissed.
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2 RespuestasWhat people seem to forget, this video is all opinion. I've seen that streamer solo just about every piece of challenging content bungie could throw at him! He plays video games all day. Has time to waste on video games. For the average player with real life commitments, work/kids/school/college/care, we don't have endless hours to throw at a game, to earn that piece of op equipment, to feel powerful.... only to have it nerfed. We grinded through the light levels, weak af, looking forward to hitting max light and becoming op ourselves! Only to be nerfed?!?! Absolutely pointless! So remember, Mr Legend Himself (talk about ego) is merely stating his opinion. He isn't right. Neither am I!
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1 RespuestaThis guy gets it!!!! Upvote so the player base can be educated and hopefully enlightened!!! Great work. Thank you!!!
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"players shouldn't be able to counter ads with a press of a button, and then do it again" Then why did Bungie make the exotics that refill your super in the first place? Was it poor playtesting? Or is it They want us chasing new exotics coming in the next year?
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1 RespuestaDue to the lack of challenging mechanics in end game activities? So due to the lack of ideas they would like to create artificial activities? It is clear that all the changes from the last two TWABs are related to the raid.
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5 RespuestasEditado por blade329: 5/24/2019 5:37:33 AMLOL. Yeah, this guys states that "gun play and movement are core strengths" of the game. Movement?????? Yeah, I've always wanted a game where my character feels like they are wearing cement shoes. I can't even look to my left quickly, I have to run in a half circle. Titanfall 2 BLOWS this game out of the water in this area. Gun play IS good, but so is every other shooter on the market. It's not light years ahead of any major shooter. Fan boys, like this guy, just don't want to accept that most people come here for the loot and space magic.
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1 Respuesta[quote]From someone who actually understands why the nerfs are needed.[/quote] From a -blam!-ing idiot that doesn't understand Jack shit, and proved in less than 3 minutes how truly stupid he is. Saying supers shouldn't be [i]doing what they're [b]designed[/b] to do[/i] completely blows my mind. He goes as far as to say tether [i]shouldn't [b]restrict[/b] enemy [b]movement.[/b][/i] Lmfao I don't think he even knows the [i]definition[/i] of tether. Says that nova bomb shouldn't take out massive amounts of ads. Uh, then what should nova [b][i]bomb[/i][/b] do? Tickle them into submission?
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Don’t. Just...don’t.
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Editado por Cayde: 5/24/2019 1:15:47 AMKeep your Cheeto hands and katana out of this website, neckbeard.
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This reeks of spin. Specifically the ending where he glosses over a ton of much more important issues than nerfing exotics.
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His type doesn’t need to worry about nerfs. Then again, he’s playing the wrong game if he wants a “challenge”. This more than anything will just make lfgs worse
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1 Respuestagood reason. wrong approach. VERY wrong approach.
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4 RespuestasIf you feel items are too powerful and take the challenge out of the game, just don't use them
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4 RespuestasThe link to the video you posted is just that streamers opinion. It is in no way factual. He does not speak for the community. How about instead of repeating what streamers say you think for yourself ?
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1 RespuestaYeah, I actually saw this in my YouTube recommended yesterday and thought it outlined a bunch of good points. That being said, posting it here may not have been the best idea, you and the creator of the video will be screeched at for being bungie shills here.
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1 RespuestaStop linking -blam!-ing YouTubers.
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1 RespuestaThe reason is so they can make the raid take longer for streamers to get more views and subs. Dont let anyone tell you different.
