Excuse you.. each person plays how they want to play. Each person has their own God roll they like (doesn't even need to be the community meta God roll). So I see what your saying and crafting and drop rates are pretty ridiculous... But don't assume everyone wants the same thing.

Your math is correct; but isn’t that the time required to focus every possible roll? Or am I way off? It’s been a *long* time since I’ve been in school.

How do people fall for this? There's other variables at play in the algorithm. "5,760 Hours to Focus One God Roll" Does anyone else see anything wrong with this? Anyone, at all? 😁 Does anyone play this game? There's going to be a lot of dismantles... surely. If you're looking for 1 specific roll? Probably most of them... maybe you keep a few others along the way, but mostly all of them you'll shard/delete... UNTIL you get your perfect roll. Now, remember the title? Who here actually focuses stuff? That's 240 days of active game-time. I play a lot... but how long has focusing been a thing? Who here has gotten that 5/5 they wanted, multiple times? Almost every time when you prioritize a specific weapon for focusing...? If this math & title was correct... no one would ever get what they want beyond sheer luck. Facts. For the record, I have terrible rng... but I still get what I want, exactly what I want. I certainly don't have 240 days of [b]STRAIGHT GAMEPLAY[/b] since focusing was introduced... I'll tell you that.

While I agree with yhe premise, the argument is a bit shallow. Never have i seen anything that extreme and ive got nearly 9k hours in the game. Even farming old twilight oath was never that bad and it sucked. Yes, mist likely you wont get a 10/10 god roll with every perk you ever wanted all dolled up but you will get one that is good enough. Maybe the MW sucks but the 3rd and 4th column is perfect. Or you got the not perfect 2nd column etc but overall it shouldnt take more then a season to get one nailed down. Guess its luck and time played due to engram requirements.

[quote]Bungie, I know you only listen to streamers who pretend to want everything nerfed (although they always exploit cheeses and were giddy for glitch guns last season), but please consider a little math, some common sense, and casual players for once... Weapon focusing is WAY too expensive and focused weapons need 2-3 perks in columns 3 & 4! To focus a single 5/5 G*d roll nightfall weapon will require, on average, 5,760 hours: Average 7-8 options in columns 1 & 2 w/ 2 selectable options in each * average 6 options in columns 3 & 4 w/ only one option each * 5 masterwork options = 2,880 combinations. Focusing one weapon currently requires 5 engrams. Assuming 25 engrams per vanguard rank reset and 10 hours of continuous play to reset rank, that's 5,760 hours, on average, to focus one 5/5 roll. That's batsh-t crazy! 8/2 * 8/2 * 6 * 6 * 5 * (5 * 10 / 25) If you implemented the following changes, the average would drop to 115 hours, still WAY too long (equivalent of playing full-time, nothing but vanguard activities, for about 3 weeks), but slightly less insane: Drop cost from 5 engrams to 2, column 1 & 2 keep 2 selectable perks, column 3 & 4 have 2 selectable perks, allow re-rolling masterwork for 1-2 prisms. Additionally, focused adept weapons should roll with 3 options in columns 3 & 4. Non-nightfall and other vendors' focused weapons should follow the above guidelines and cost 1 engram.[/quote] Have you ever played another MMO game? Be grateful its only that long lmao some games have a less than 1% drop rate for gear and thats not even counting the stats that could spawn on it lmao. Anyways unlike those games all that really matters are perks 1&2 and at max the masterwork. When we are talking about GLs then yea the mag perk also matters

News flash, you can play everything in the game without focusing or crafting a single thing.

Casual players aren't grinding for 5/5 god rolls, my boy.

Personally I think it should be reduced to 1 engram per focus, at least after the weapon is unlocked in collections but that’s just me. I know I’ll get some hate for it but hey it’s my opinion. And bungie won’t listen anyway. The same goes for exotic armor focusing at rahool, 1 exotic engram to focus 1 piece of armor.

In pve -blam!- god roll isn’t needed and in pvp only the top echelon of players will be able to notice the slight differences between each roll

So you’re telling me the 40 god rolls I have took me over 200,000 hours to get I get the feeling you didn’t go to MIT

Your math is atrocious

So let me get this straight: you want less perk options so you can get your god roll? Lol, how about no. Less perk options are always a negative. Makes the game boring getting the same perk combos. Need an example, look at when d2 launched. Next, it's unrealistic to chase god rolls that have everything you want in every column, hence why the majority don't do it lol. The majority try to get the perk combo they want, and then either the barrel or masterwork they want. If they happen to get lucky and get more than that, great, but that's not what they chase. Even if they did limit the perk options, whose determining what perks are chosen? Say that cause people's god roll weapons vary based on their playstyle. So 1 shouldn't be punished and not able to get the roll they want because someone else thinks it's too hard to get the roll they want. Currently, we all can go after the rolls we want, which is how it should be. I get it, you don't like the how the figures break down going for your god roll, that's cool. Suggesting them changing the game to suit you, not cool. Either play or don't.

You should approach the problem a little more realisticly. Do you need a perfect masterwork, barrel and mag? Or can you do with almost every barrel anyway because it doesn't matter too much (unless pulserifle)? That being said, it is still depressing sometimes. The dungeon weapons are terrible in this regard. I farmed myself a Last breath from the cube room in prophecy. 1/36 for the last 2 perks, 1/3 to get LB from the encounter makes it a 1/108 chance per encounter and this is one of the better ones when it comes to the odds. Should you want a specific last 2 perks of No survivors, you can do 1st or 2nd encounter in Ghosts of the deep for a 1/6 * 1/36 making it 1/216 chance per encounter. Should a weapon roll require column 2 as well, then everything is lost: Cataphract is a 1/49 for envious +B&S and you need spikes (another 2/7) makes it a 0.58% to get the roll (not talking barrels or MW). You can imagine the amount of trials resets for this on average for yourself. I also farmed for a Lingering dread with holster, chill clip and disorient with no luck. 2/5 for the disorient, 1/36 for holster+chillclip Then either 1/5 in the first encounter or 1/11 with Caiatl. There is also this terrible ruling where master caiatl cannot drop the thing (as opposed to normal) so you cannot get to farming this alongside a more efficient artifice farm. And you can always be unlucky and crash the average amounts without getting one.

TLDR I’m glad you finally got your god roll or sorry you’re still chasing that god roll.

[quote]Bungie, I know you only listen to streamers who pretend to want everything nerfed[/quote] JFC, you people.

Farm nightfalls. Easy resets in no time at all. Also your 5/5 requirement is far too stringent when for PvE you will, at most, only care about mag, perk 1, perk 2. You can chase the barrel and masterwork, but that’s for incredibly small benefits. (Also each reset adds the chance for additional perks up to 3 in either perk column) Edit: Oh this is specific to nightfall weapons! Well then, easy. Farm high level nightfalls.

Or you could just get lucky and get a random drop with everything you want on it the first try. Looter shooters, gotta love 'em.