There’s a difference between feedback and toxic behavior and Bungie has been pretty good about picking out and making changes based on actual feedback over the years. The fandom’s real issue is that toxic behavior is rewarded and genuine feedback is attacked for not being toxic. Like you can’t post positively about destiny on these forums without getting hate for daring to enjoy the game.

Do you die a nostalgic name forever etched into the legendary dev stars or live long enough to become a meme

Bungie does listen to the community more so than most other videogame companies. One clear example is when they cancelled sunsetting but there are many more. However, they have made certain decisions that have made me enjoy the game a lot less, particularly when it comes to PvP but also for PvE. Here are some of my gripes: 1. Nerfing of Protective Light and implementation of Well Mods. This was designed to make build-crafting an interesting component of the game but to me, it's just annoying that I have to spend 10-15 minutes before a GM to switch out mods and that I am forced to use weapons I don't want to use, just because they match the subclass I am using for that GM. 2. Airborne Effectiveness changes. These, contrary to Well Mods, which have been implemented successfully from Bungie's perspective, do not work. It is so difficult to construct an airborne-effective build, to the point where it is not even worth it. The ones hurt the most by this are Warlocks and this is what I think has hurt them most in PvP, not the 3.0 subclass changes themselves. 3. Removal of old content that was hype and addition of new content/recycled content that isn't. This includes removal of things like surprise missions (e.g. Zero Hour) and old Raids (e.g. Leviathan), content that its customers bought and paid for but are now no longer able to access. It is just another way Bungie have limited what we can play in/how we can play the game. 4. One thing remains constant: The grind. I understand that Bungie have had limited resources in the past and for that reason, have had to walk the thin line of balancing grindiness with fun and novelty, in order to give themselves enough time to produce and release future content. However, after the acquisition of Bungie by Sony, I would have expected the balance to shift more to "fun", thanks to those Sony dollars but it hasn't. Content is as grindy as it has ever been, to the point where it can become exasperating to play the game. 5. The reckless abandon with which Bungie has abandoned PvP. I have read the latest TWAB and the tone with which Bungie spoke about their plans for the future of this aspect of the game would make you think they were doing a complete overhaul but honestly, you can colour me unimpressed. No mention of further anti-cheat upgrades (cheaters are slowly become more and more numerous again), no dedicated servers (even now with Sony's resources), no permanent Freelance for Trials and only one new map to be released with Lightfall. Really?

Bungie never cared.

100 satisfying games = 1 Happy Post 1 frustrating game = 1 Rage Post

Bungie bred this community

No. They dont care. It is very clear.

We all know they don't care. You still wanna vent and write down your constructive criticism if you are like me who invested 5k hours into this game and used to have so much fun with the game. When a dev ruins the game people love, obviously people wanna express their opinion. But i am well aware that this ship isn't sinking anymore, it already sunk. They are not putting remotely enough resources into this cash cow gacha game anymore to keep it a quality and fun game. They are just milking the loyal players to stretch the time between now and their next game release. Sad but true. I wouldn't call the forums toxic considering the horrible quality we get now for a full price annual DLC title + full blown mtx store focus. No, it's the other way around. More players should state the obvious and criticise this mess of a game.

No, not at all They are setting on stacks of cash from Sony, a few less pre-orders wont bother them Sad but true Sony is Destiny's only hope now, for better or worse

[quote]Part of me finds it humorous, all the negative things that are said about Bungie and what they are doing wrong with Destiny. The banter is pretty funny, the and disses and comebacks between players are comical. I mean there’s so much passion and pain, and hurt and within that hurt theres a deep level of betrayal on the forums. But then on the other hand, the forums are straight up toxic. Now I’m wondering if Bungie even cares. Do they even care how much trash is being said about their game? Maybe they’re just letting it slide because they have already announced much needed updates coming in future seasons. But then again the forums are always unhappy, always toxic, and it always seems like Bungie isn’t doing enough. (I’m not saying that Bungie is doing enough jtbc (just to be clear))[/quote] The word toxic is way over used, most that use it really don’t know what toxic really is Any example I would give would send many here to this safe space ( lol safe space)

This game would literally be nothing if it wasn't for the years of criticism and feedback.

They just don't interact with the forums which is a big problem. Yeah this place is a swamp but you don't clean it by continuing to let garbage pile up. We don't WANT to use reddit to get information the OFFICIAL FORUMS should have access to. Hippy actually responded to why they do it and even talked about how it's better to reach the larger populations instead of utilizing resources to clean this place up. I get why it's like that but it's bullshit for me as an actual member of their community because I can't even tell if they care what I or anybody else says. It's so easy though. The literal first real community post hippy made asking us what we wanted for pvp and peopled seemed to respond to it really well. It doesn't even -blam!- have to be responded to by them, just knowing theres a post dedicated to our feedback that they might look over was a good thing. I think that's the first time in forum history we've actually been asked what we wanted that wasn't -blam!- to buy. Being a community manager here is very likely hell because so many loud people are -blam!- holes but the ACTUAL community doesn't want to deal with radio silence cause we got clowns dumping their trash everywhere.

Cares...No

I believe Bungie cares. I believe Bungie look at their Business Model and see that it’s profitable. The changes we often ask for that are ignored are ignored because the cost to implement said changes would negatively impact their profit margins. I believe Bungie feels Destiny the franchise has run it’s course and it’s time they focus on the next offering. The reason why there’s still players playing is because there hasn’t ever been a console game developed that can rival the gunplay in Destiny. That in itself keeps players logging in regularly.