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12/5/2019 4:12:19 PM
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No, it’s not a valid point. Peyton Manning is considered one of the best playfake QBs but was a white dude. Skin color isn’t going to give an advantage on a playfake.
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What's a playfake 😂 Honestly I have no idea, all I know is real football ⚽️
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Playfake is when the Quarterback tries to make the defense think that he hands the ball off to the running back. That or there’s other types of playfake but that is the one that is most common. The commentator is saying that Lamar’s dark skin somehow blends with hot football and that makes it too difficult to see, when it doesn’t give an advantage.
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Was he saying something needs to be done like change the ball colour or paint the black guy? (joke) Not sure what could be done so it just seems like an observation, he obviously watches a lot of American football so I dare say it's something's he's noticed while trying to commentate and there is a certain amount of truth to it If he wanted to drop the player or paint him then I can see why that would be highly offensive. That above tho just seems like a comment, an observation that involves mentioning that someone's got dark skin. Not exactly what I'd call racist tbh. Still my information on all this is admittedly very limited. (your post lol)
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It’s a dumb observation that’s degrading Lamar’s ability to playfake simp,y because Lamar has dark skin. Its never been an observation when Lamar was in college or was scouted. It was never an advantage anyone else stated when Lamar entered the league. All he is doing is degrading a player’s ability because of said player’s skin color.
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He said he's really good at that play. Not really that degrading. I'm sure the player is proud of his skin tone too. It might of been a dumb thing to say on the air, but it doesn't seem malicious at all, it seems like a genuine observation of someone who's job it is to commentate in the sport coming out in probably not the most articulate way. That's why I asked does this commentator have any history ?
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It is degrading, he is saying that Lamar’s skin tone gives him the advantage because it somehow belongs with the ball even though it’s proven that his dark skin tone isn’t going to help on the playfake. Otherwise, like I said, other commentators would say the same. You can say it’s an observation but it something that shouldn’t be said because it’s objectively wrong. It was never an advantage anyone else said it could give Lamar when he entered the league. Other NFL players also never say that it’s giving him an advantage, you don’t hear them complaining about the skin tone hiding the ball. It’s perfectly clear the commentator was degrading Lamar’s ability because he has darker skin. I don’t know the commentators history but it still isn’t a comment you make.
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It's not degrading to say height or weight give advantages in sport, that's just fact. I said it was a dumb comment but I suspect it's all being taken the wrong way and this wasn't the commentators intention. Plus if you claim it's proven that it doesn't give an advantage, that means it's been looked into before which to me says there is something there. All in all, dumb comment but I still don't think that makes the commentator racist.
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Yes, but height and weight are different than what’s being said here. Again, if Lamar’s skin color did give an advantage how come other sport analysts, scouts and players don’t say the same thing? Being taller is going to help a player in certain situations. Kyler Murray’s height was described as a disadvantage as a QB because it does make it tougher for him to see over the offensive and defensive lineman. But that is a clear observation that can be a proven disadvantage. But with Lamar, his skin color was never described as an advantage before the draft or during the draft. It’s a degrading comment on something that’s proven to not give an advantage. It’s degrading a player’s talent because he is black.
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I'm sure it's an extremely minor advantage at very best, if at all. Certainly not the same as weight or height, I'm just saying it's not degrading to a tall player to say he has an advantage at his sport, it's a compliment if anything. And even presuming for arguments sake that his skin colour did give him an advantage, that would not be degrading to him or his skills either. Let's take an extreme example, if I said a black man would have an advantage over a white man in a match of naked night time paint balling, would you say that's racist or obvious? It just seems like a genuine observation that's come across very wrong.
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It’s not a compliment when you say that the reason this player has an advantage is because he has dark skin. The reason Lamar’s playfakes work is because he can sell them well, he has a good running back so defenses would expect the ball to go to the running back, he reads the defenses well and knows when to keep, and the team he’s on schemes well makes playfakes more effective. And I’m going to repeat this again, if his skin color was an advantage then other analysts, commentators and players would say the same thing. It isn’t said for other black QBs like Lamar. It isn’t a compliment to go “he’s good at the playfake BUT his skin color helps”. It’s degrading his ability.
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So saying a player is helped by his height or weight is also degrading then. Again, it was dumb. But it does not seem malicious. Without malice I won't condemn the man as a racist.
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Height and weight in certain sports actually gives advantages and disadvantages. But those advantages can be backed up by facts. A taller wide receiver gives an advantage because it allows him to gain extra height over smaller defensive backs. Just like how a heavier running is tougher to bring down compared to others, but, teams aren’t going to just pick tall or heavier people unless they are actually good. Hell, some of the tallest basketball players in history have been really bad. But skin color is proven to not be an advantage for playfakes. Lamar is good at playfakes, nothing to do with skin color, otherwise the same statement would be said about other black QBs. And sure, the commentator may not be a racist and I never said he is or isn’t. But the statement is clearly one that goes after race. It’s degrading ability based on skin color. And you can look at the history of black QBs and how they are treated in the media. [quote] In 2003, conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh made headlines when he claimed that the media was biased in favor of Donovan McNabb, a prominent black quarterback at the time. Limbaugh stated that “the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well… he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he really didn’t deserve.”[/quote] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_issues_faced_by_black_quarterbacks
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As I said I'm basing this on what's here not the history of black people in professional sports. It wasn't that long ago that open racism was accepted, now a comment like the one above gets all this attention. It just seems like a dumb comment nothing more, maybe it sounded funny in his head before he said it 🤷♂️😂 Is lamar actually offended by it? Does he feel degraded by it or are these third party words?
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It’s dumb comment but it wasn’t a joke comment. He meant every word.
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I feel it is something he's noticed himself, it's his job to watch matches intensely and comment on it, you notice minor things like that when that is your job. Ok it's no where near the kind of advantage that things like weight and height are but if it's something he has noticed while watching matches then he might try n comment about it jokingly. I feel he does believe it because you wouldn't just make something like that up, it just seems like something he's noticed.
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Again, he isn’t the only commentator. If it truly was an advantage in the NFL it would be said by every other observer like him. You can keep calling it an observation but it’s plain wrong.
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Other commentators might have more sense not to mention a trivial thing that can't be helped anyway. Hell if I was a commentator I wouldn't be publicly defending this guy 😂 Keeping you eyes on the ball is important, if the ball is masked even slightly by its background then that is something.
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Look, if it actually gave an advantage it would be talked about more by analysts and players. Hell, the Cleveland Browns would’ve been told not to wear brown uniforms if that was the case. It isn’t an advantage. Lamar is in his second year playing and has been doing these same playfakes, this is the first time this “observation” was made. If there really was this advantage it would be talked about more.
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I said minor and trivial, an advantage so small it's irrelevant but if the background masks the ball even slightly, it's something right? All I'm saying is there is a basis here, and the fact it's been looked at as a possible issue confirms that. I bet the official reports state no noticeable advantage or words to that effect 🤷♂️
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The NFL is currently celebrating it’s 100th season, I’m sure if this advantage existed I’m sure in those 100 years it would have been proven. It isn’t something that needs to be looked into more because it’s already proven that this isn’t an advantage.
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It's not an issue you mean. Agreed. But I'm sure you have agree that a background similar to the ball makes the ball harder to see than a contrasting colour. That is just obvious. Does that translates to a real advantage, no. But it's something. Sorry bud. Been fun, bored now. Bye ✌️
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In baseball pitchers aren’t allowed to wear long sleeves because it makes the ball harder to see when thrown. But in football having a darker jersey or darker skin doesn’t give an advantage on a playfake, there is no advantage. Otherwise teams wouldn’t be allowed to wear dark colored uniforms or the ball would be a different color. There is no advantage in this sport, it’s a proven fact. You’ve said it yourself that you don’t understand, you didn’t even know what a playfake is. You keep trying to claim there’s an advantage but only one commentator says it. Quit trying to act like you know what you’re talking about.
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People watching the ball. The ball is the same colour as it's background Harder to see. I agree it's minor and makes next to no difference but to say that there is absolutely nothing there defies the laws of logic and reason. plus you have said it's been looked into before, so it's not just me or that guy is it. Please don't get angry with me, just saying it as it is. Just because they haven't made some official rules forcing long white sleeves or a fluorescent yellow ball doesn't mean there is no validity to it.
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And the background isn’t just the uniform. QBs can’t perfectly hide the ball in a dark uniform. The logic doesn’t apply in the game. Again, the commentator said that Lamar’s dark skin is giving an advantage, not saying that logically it blends in, but that it gives an advantage. It’s objectify false. You even tried to claim that it is an advantage but now backtracking and saying “it’s only logical.” There is no advantage of having a dark uniform or dark skin color when it comes to the ability of playfaking.
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I've not backtracked. I maintain there is a minor advantage. If the ball blends into the background whatever that background is, it's harder to track the balls movements. Logical and simple. We agree that it's a dumb and pointless comment. We agree it doesn't make the commentator a racist in itself. We agree that it can be a factor in other sports. Why is this such a major denial point for you?
