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Edytowany przez użytkownika YourVillain:
4/1/2016 3:04:29 PM
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What don't people get about this game?
A long range ohk shot gun is broken. The ttk with primary weapons is too long for a shotgun with range. It would be damn near impossible to stop shot gun rushers and shot guns would once again become primary weapons.
As it is now shot guns are for certain areas as it should be. You SHOULDN'T be able to just main a shot gun the entire match and Leroy Jekins all over the place getting kills.
Edit: If you want more range, I dunno, how about play with a FUSION RIFLE or that too balanced for ya? That charge is on there for a reason to prevent the shenanigans that was occurring with shotguns before the nerf.
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Fusions have a really unreliable spread now so they're pretty much what i call "challenge mode" weapons that a player can use to test their own rage limits, and gloat when they go positive kd using one. They have less reliable ohk within sg range than most shotguns, but can rarely ohk from auto rifle distance once every other game, if you're lucky. Not a balanced replacement for sg. Fusions need to be redesigned to excel at mid but be somehow crappy at close and long ranges because as it stands, they are just shotguns you cannot rely on that must be charged first.
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If I want to lose a game, I'll use a fusion rifle.
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Type in fusion rifles and check out the vids. There are some great players doing cool things with fusions. Looks like they got gud.
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Edytowany przez użytkownika Killlerschaf: 4/2/2016 2:30:21 PMFusion rifles are inconsistent. Everything that is inconsistent should be avoided. It's the same reason why top tier players don't use HCs anymore (phantom bullets) and would definitely not use a Fusion Rifle (the whole thing is a living inconsistency). They are also extremely bad mid air, and the charge time means that 2 missed bolts of one shot will up your TTK so significantly, that a Jade Rabbit can kill you with body shots alone. Nobody will use a Fusion Rifle if he has to win. (yes, as a top 1% player I am more than just sure of that)
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Can't really check that since you hid your stats there 1%er A lot of really good players(not myself) would disagree on the viability of fusion rifles. So agree to disagree
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None of them will use a fusion rifle if they have to win. If they are simply on a different skill level and can compensate for a fusion's weakness, then so be it. But if they play against opponents of the same skill level they won't use a fusion rifle. (to be technically correct, there is still one FR which is still kinda usable and that's the pocket infinity. It's banned in scrims for a reason)
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I'm not talking about having a long range shotgun man. But either the range, damage, or consistency of shotguns one-shotting people needs to be addressed. There are way to many moments in game for me that should be definite one shot kills, and yet it doesn't, causing me to get killed.
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Edytowany przez użytkownika YourVillain: 4/1/2016 3:43:01 PMDude, that happens with just about every weapon. Hell. It happens with melee. The answer is not to increase shot gun range. That shit is fine as far as range goes. If you want me more range, use a fusion. That's what it's for. Edit: also shot package does increase range. I don't know people keep acting like it doesn't by acting like a tighter spread has no effect on range. It's a disingenuous argument.
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so you'd be fine with a sniper bullet that only caused damage after it travels half the length of the map then? a shotgun that goes arms length isnt fine. when snipers become the main cqb weapon it really is anything but fine. shotguns are meant to rule cqb, fusion from middle and from range snipers. right now all three are ruled by snipers.
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Edytowany przez użytkownika YourVillain: 4/1/2016 4:04:00 PMActually yes BC I don't care about special weapons. Check my stats I use primary by a large margin so I couldn't care less if all of specials were crap in PvP. That being said I have not seen snipers killing it at close range on a consistent basis. And you are correct fusion should rule mid range which is the exact reason the increasing the range on shot gun or implementing shot package is a bad idea. If you are out running around in the open with a shotgun and succeeding the game -blam!-ed up the balance.
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shotguns should have a longer range than melee. thats just where it should sit. outside of melee so you can get a consistent performance out of it and warlocks cant melee you and get an overshield. if someone has to shotgun and melee to get the kill on a consistent basis then shotguns arent where they are meant to be. if you arent seeing people play rush with snipers I wanna play in the same lobies as you. if its not camping in some obscure spot then people are using the bitch switch (snipe the body and one shot a primary) which is a kill. people run around cqb areas with shotguns and do well. people dont like them doing that and complain. just like i dont like seeing people with snipers do that. shotguns are meant to win those engagements and snipers arent though. but you can be sucessful with any gun in the game so long as you get good with it and learn how to play to its strengths as long as its consistent. but if the gun isnt then it needs to be balanced so it is. that includes all the broken primary weapons we currently have.
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Edytowany przez użytkownika YourVillain: 4/1/2016 4:30:59 PMMaybe it's BC I don't play trials I don't see sniper rushers. Your average sniper is not good enough to pull off cq snipes on a consistent basis also very hard to do when you have to deal with larger groups. Which is also the reason I prefer 6v6 over the trials of snipers. As far as the range on shot guns it is at warlock melee range if you are talking about thunderstrike, which should count BC that's an ability. It's not like people are using knife throw as a gage range. I really think it's the user(and sometimes connection). I fought a guy yesterday using a shot gun and i couldn't stop him. He was apparently doing something right. I think what happened is that the nerfs put a higher skill cap on shotguns so the people that were just out there playing loose and getting kills are realizing that play style doesn't work. The special I use most is the fusion so yea I understand inconsistences but more often then not my fails are user error. Either I missed some bolts or misjudged my range. I think that is the case with shot guns
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no you see snipers rush and play in cqb in pretty much all game types now. its common. hence the term bitch switch was born. they just aim to clip anywhere and then one shot you. nah the shotgun range really isnt in warlock melee range. especially as they can melee and get an overshield also and just have to tap you again. you cant win that fight even in a shotguns natural range. you both get to the range and he hits melee and suddenly your gun becomes useless. shotguns always seemed to cut through lag. so when a game was lag infested you could always patrol cqb areas and still contribute. not any more. if you have a modicum of lag and the melee rang is bigger than a gun range there is something wrong in that picture. your arm should not extend out futher than a shotgun blast. I am not saying fellwinters lie range. I just think a boost to just higher than the largest melee range would bring it in line with what its meant to be. the term high risk high reward is said about them. right now there is very little reward. I have hit people point blank and got hit markers or even worse nothing at all. someone posted a video last night on here showing them shooting someone with a chaperone and i mean on top of them and didnt even register a hit marker. its something I see a lot of.
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It's probably because the person you are responding to has a below 1.0 KD. Skill based matchmaking shields him away from the snipers you would get in higher skill brackets.
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I a gonna have to tank a few games and get their lobbies haha. Sick of snipers everywhere. It was boring the first month. Now I am ready to pull my bottom lip over my head and swallow I am that bored of them.
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Edytowany przez użytkownika Killlerschaf: 4/2/2016 12:28:16 PMI switched to Halo basically. Just came back to troll around in this Iron Banner, but yeah, this is by far the worst and campy meta ever.
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I am ps4 so no halo for me. Tried division but not for me. Kinda stuck till doom hits lol
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The Division offered nothing for people who want to play death match/control/whatever in playlists. I am on the PS4 as well. I however bought myself an Xbox after getting a really nice Xmas deal for an Xbox Elite with Halo Bundle^^
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if titan fall 2 had been exclusive again I may have done the same. but I just dont wanna buy a new system for just one game. if this sandbox fix doesnt sort how camp infested the game has now become then I have to start looking at going elsewhere. doom and overwatch have possibilities and look fun. which at the moment the sniperble really isnt. division not having any normal pvp style play ended my interest in the game. I lasted 3 hours in the beta and was like I am already bored here. deleted it and cancelled my order. I love dom/control so not having any real game type like that just sucked the fun outta it.
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Also, fusion rifles are way too inconsistent as well. They are amazing when they work but there's too many times that they don't for me to want to use them. This is why I've always loved snipers the most.
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I would LOVE to see what would happen to the crucible if they just took out special weapons altogether. It would be very interesting to see what happens to all these people that rely on ohk
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That's cool, but I'm not one of them.
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If that's the case why do care about the shot gun so much.
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You know, I don't have to rely on something to give a -blam!- about it dude. They provide for advantages in certain situations just as primary weapons do, and the use of them allows me to stay alive in certain situations. I use both sides of the spectrum equally but my survival in the crucible does not completely depend on whether I have special ammo or not. But that statement does not mean I won't give a shit if I can't use a special weapon due to the advantages they provide in certain situations.
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Well, I did say range, damage, or consistency. That shouldn't happen with any weapon.
