[quote]Never understood why so many people act like they're forced to play this game. There's been quite a few good games that have released this year but people act like Destiny 2 is the only game that they should be playing.[/quote] Name a few relatable titles, ones that people who play fps mmo looter shooters will enjoy

Elden Eing, Baldurs Gate, Witcher 3, Borderlands 3, Titanfall 2, I mean the list of great games is long, seriously think that destiny’s playerbase is that narrow?

[quote]Elden Eing, Baldurs Gate, Witcher 3, Borderlands 3, Titanfall 2, I mean the list of great games is long, seriously think that destiny’s playerbase is that narrow?[/quote] Don’t forget Remnent 2 and Remnant: From the Ashes. Great games too.

Forgot that, I need to play Remnant soon, it's crazy for him to posture that destiny players only play one hyper specific genre. Literally hundreds of 8/10+ games to play lol especially for simply a weekend.

[quote]Elden Eing, Baldurs Gate, Witcher 3, Borderlands 3, Titanfall 2, I mean the list of great games is long, seriously think that destiny’s playerbase is that narrow?[/quote] Baldurs Gate is extremely niche, Witcher 3 is extremely outdated and Borderlands 3 is considered the worst borderlands to release. Titanfall 2 is un-supported it was only updated because the multiplayer modes only worked on modded clients. And well all of the games you listed have been out for over a year, i guess you didn’t know baldurs gate 3 has been available in EA for a while. As well the people who play Destiny the enjoy Shooter-Looter MMORPG games, none of the games you listed fall in that niche. You cant say “Destinys playerbase isn’t that narrow” when thats not what we are talking about, Destiny fits a niche millions enjoy and you naming games that may be similar in just 1 category doesn’t relate to this conversation. Games that competed with this game are Anthem and division 1 & 2, games like warframe are close to competing but are still different genres and gameplay loops (quite different). TL:DR So all in all, Destiny fills a niche spot in the gaming sphere, naming other games is cool and all but doesn’t really provide a “alternative”

HOLD UP. There's no way you're arguing that destiny players only play destiny because it is specifically “it's an MMORPG FPS loot shooter”. 1. Destiny is lacking many MMO qualities, it falls quite short of that, it fits an RPG much more. 2. Destiny’s playerbases dropping during droughts drastically and flucuating when other actually good games drop completely trashes the idea that Destiny’s majority of the player base only plays destiny’s unique genre.

[quote]HOLD UP. There's no way you're arguing that destiny players only play destiny because it is specifically “it's an MMORPG FPS loot shooter”. 1. Destiny is lacking many MMO qualities, it falls quite short of that, it fits an RPG much more. 2. Destiny’s playerbases dropping during droughts drastically and flucuating when other actually good games drop completely trashes the idea that Destiny’s majority of the player base only plays destiny’s unique genre.[/quote] It falls into MMO since its a broad definition, if you are gonna bring up WoW and FF14 then Destiny 2 does fall under their umbrella of MMO. Your 2nd point is terrible since players will always go play a new hyped game to try it and when those “good” games you listed have been around for a month or so their players drop and those players who left return to Destiny. You don’t understand how a vast majority of players have been playing this game for almost a decade now (including D1) just because elden ring came out doesn’t mean it took any of Destinys players thats stupid the games are completely different. Destiny has a unique genre and it would take a hit title in the same genre to take players away from it. A prime example could have been Anthem, had the game had a proper development and had proper support it would have annihilated Destiny 2 since it was the same unique genre. There are tons of factors on why people play this game and your shitty reasons just show you are probably a new player or someone who plays this game when their friends play it and dont wanna be left out TL:DR People play it for it uniqueness among the MMO market and how long theyve been playing (~10 years) saying the player count when new games come out is stupid that happens to all games

You proved my point without even trying. If people are leaving Destiny for a decent amount of time for other games when it hits lows OR when new games come out. Then quitting destiny 2 for a week MAX because of servers should not be an issue. Also you have zero evidence, that Destiny players only play RPG FPS Loot shooters. Still. It's a ridiculous assumption. Many people play other games then Destiny, even the idea that a Destiny player can only enjoy Destiny because of it's niche genre is crazy. The PvE and PvP aspect of Destiny can easily be sasitified but other games that do it better. And no, Destiny is not an MMO, it has a few BROAD MMO aspects. But that is it, it's an RPG. The largest party you can have in Destiny is 6 and the depth of the “live” worlds (Patrols) is no where near in scope.

[quote]You proved my point without even trying. If people are leaving Destiny for a decent amount of time for other games when it hits lows OR when new games come out. Then quitting destiny 2 for a week MAX because of servers should not be an issue. Also you have zero evidence, that Destiny players only play RPG FPS Loot shooters. Still. It's a ridiculous assumption. Many people play other games then Destiny, even the idea that a Destiny player can only enjoy Destiny because of it's niche genre is crazy. The PvE and PvP aspect of Destiny can easily be sasitified but other games that do it better. And no, Destiny is not an MMO, it has a few BROAD MMO aspects. But that is it, it's an RPG. The largest party you can have in Destiny is 6 and the depth of the “live” worlds (Patrols) is no where near in scope.[/quote] I enjoy how you say i have 0 evidence yet you wanna use only Destiny as a example rather than the reasoning why people play games for long periods of time or play one genre more than others. Also go ahead name a game that does the niche genre that Destiny has better and no CoD, Titanfall and Warframe are not the same (only saying this cause you wanted to specify Your point is null since you came and responded to me ive been arguing my stance this whole time you making this a “prove me wrong” argument is stupid It still is classified as a MMO bud you even admitted it yet wanna say “its not grand enough” when it doesn’t have to be it has all the hallmarks

You're completely not understanding. No Destiny player, I've ever met. Is looking for specifically an “RPG FPS looter shooter”. It's absurd to think that someone playing Destiny can not find enjoyment out of simply playing an RPG or even another FPS. It doesn't need to be that niche genre. Player data and even these forums are proof that a majority of Destiny do not just play destiny for it's niche. That's ridiculous. Destiny is an RPG, it has almost no aspects of an MMO except that it's online and it's not really “open world”. The only BARELY similar MMO aspect is patrols which isn't even the main focus of the game.

[quote]You're completely not understanding. No Destiny player, I've ever met. Is looking for specifically an “RPG FPS looter shooter”. It's absurd to think that someone playing Destiny can not find enjoyment out of simply playing an RPG or even another FPS. It doesn't need to be that niche genre. Player data and even these forums are proof that a majority of Destiny do not just play destiny for it's niche. That's ridiculous. Destiny is an RPG, it has almost no aspects of an MMO except that it's online and it's not really “open world”. The only BARELY similar MMO aspect is patrols which isn't even the main focus of the game.[/quote] Link me that player data or is it your opinion You just said it had aspects of a mmo, also open world isn’t the main aspect of a mmo as many mmos dont have open worlds lmao they have segmented worlds like Destiny has for patrols

https://steamcharts.com/app/1085660 https://destinytracker.com/ Steam does not represent the total population, but can show trends of the total population ie. the general trend for other platforms. Destiny tracker states that roughly 500k players have either played either PvE or PvP or both yesterday. This number should be a low end ish. Considering the recent server issues etc. But it also was a Tuesday. Destiny multiple times within a given year loses a large part of it's player base, usually spikes around the beginning of seasons and flucuates. So where are the Destiny players going? To play other games. Like normal people. Destiny is a niche, but other games can easily satisfy the different parts of Destiny’s niche, and more importantly can do it better. An MMO’s individual areas, like ESO, have way more depth than Destiny. Which even Destiny is confined to a small amount of people in a patrol. Patrols do not have dialogue NPC's that you can have conversations with, they're are not 100s of quests to do, Destiny doesn't have mounts (outside of sparrows…?), there are not in depth dungeons unless you count mf Lost sectors, it does have raids, but confined to six people. Destiny also has much more streamlined basic class and start system. Which is good, because it makes the game more palatable. Again Destiny does have MMO aspects, but that does not put it under MMO. Rock is broad, but calling something rock because it has a guitar riff in it and a drum beat is a bit dumb. Destiny is dominated an FPSRPG Loot shooter more than anything.

[quote]https://steamcharts.com/app/1085660 https://destinytracker.com/ Steam does not represent the total population, but can show trends of the total population ie. the general trend for other platforms. Destiny tracker states that roughly 500k players have either played either PvE or PvP or both yesterday. This number should be a low end ish. Considering the recent server issues etc. But it also was a Tuesday. Destiny multiple times within a given year loses a large part of it's player base, usually spikes around the beginning of seasons and flucuates. So where are the Destiny players going? To play other games. Like normal people. Destiny is a niche, but other games can easily satisfy the different parts of Destiny’s niche, and more importantly can do it better. An MMO’s individual areas, like ESO, have way more depth than Destiny. Which even Destiny is confined to a small amount of people in a patrol. Patrols do not have dialogue NPC's that you can have conversations with, they're are not 100s of quests to do, Destiny doesn't have mounts (outside of sparrows…?), there are not in depth dungeons unless you count mf Lost sectors, it does have raids, but confined to six people. Destiny also has much more streamlined basic class and start system. Which is good, because it makes the game more palatable. Again Destiny does have MMO aspects, but that does not put it under MMO. Rock is broad, but calling something rock because it has a guitar riff in it and a drum beat is a bit dumb. Destiny is dominated an FPSRPG Loot shooter more than anything.[/quote] Steamcharts and player counts only signify player activity inside a game. You have even worse logic saying “Destiny is a niche, but other games can easily satisfy the different parts of Destiny’s niche, and more importantly can do it better.“ None of that makes sense considering no game does Destinys niche better and you cant even name one. By your logic is FF14 not a mmo because it has segmented open world spaces? They aren’t much in depth and just have enemies randomly across them. And you’ll rarely see another player when you aren’t in the social areas like Destiny so whats that do for you. Your info on patrols could not be more wrong, you my friend HAVE NEVER played a MMORPG lmao. Literally a few weeks ago i was playing FF14 doing Leviquests to level up my conjurer to become a white mage and the quests which are the almost exact same as patrol bounties are literally the same eveytime with minor deviations like patrols. The quests you are thinking of in games are 1 time quests that involve killing something everytime, and again ill use ff14 for the dungeon part, they are literally as bare bones no info you can get, only for main scenario dungeons will you MAYBE get a cutscene but in every other you just go in a linear path doing 3 objectives. And the raid part doesn’t really matter, saying “oh its confined to 6” doesn’t matter since alot of mmos cap it at 9 only a few really bad ones have them uncapped but scale with the amount of people (defeating the purpose) Destiny has a start system like other games do whats your point? The whole idea of that system is to hook new players, if its bad they will leave. I used all of your dumb logic against you by using one of the TOP if not the NUMBER 1 MMORPG final fantasy 14 as a example to wreck your examples because by your logic then ff14 isn’t a mmorpg.

I’m getting irritated writing the same thing. So I’m dumbing it down now. If: Destiny is a niche with the parts of an-> RPG FPS Loot shooter Then: Someone can play an FPS or RPG or loot shooter to full fill that PART of Destiny. Final Fantasy XIV which I don’t play, but off the rip has, more classes, dialogue you can have with NPCs, side quests, and can support more people in a given via dedicated severs that people play on. I’m gonna take a guess and say it has more vendors than Destiny 2 huh? Oh and apparently the gear has way more in depth stats.. ALL WHICH MAKE IT AN MMORPG. Destiny 2 does not have these things, which is a good thing. Destiny has Patrols, which have public events, literal patrol beacons, and lost sectors. All of which serve zero purpose. Legend lost sectors even reward you for doing it SOLO. Very anti MMO. Yes they do show player activity inside the game. That’s point. There’s less players. In the game. Also you playing Final Fantasy 14 literal proves my point that you don’t have to play a game identical to Destiny XD.

[quote]I’m getting irritated writing the same thing. So I’m dumbing it down now. If: Destiny is a niche with the parts of an-> RPG FPS Loot shooter Then: Someone can play an FPS or RPG or loot shooter to full fill that PART of Destiny. Final Fantasy XIV which I don’t play, but off the rip has, more classes, dialogue you can have with NPCs, side quests, and can support more people in a given via dedicated severs that people play on. I’m gonna take a guess and say it has more vendors than Destiny 2 huh? Oh and apparently the gear has way more in depth stats.. ALL WHICH MAKE IT AN MMORPG. Destiny 2 does not have these things, which is a good thing. Destiny has Patrols, which have public events, literal patrol beacons, and lost sectors. All of which serve zero purpose. Legend lost sectors even reward you for doing it SOLO. Very anti MMO. Yes they do show player activity inside the game. That’s point. There’s less players. In the game. Also you playing Final Fantasy 14 literal proves my point that you don’t have to play a game identical to Destiny XD.[/quote] 1) games dont work like that, you cant play part of a games genre and only enjoy that part, i cant play Skyrim to get my fill of RPG genres because its not like Destiny and Starfield wouldn’t do the same either 2) FF14 has plenty of classes but that doesn’t really provide anything a RPG just needs a selection and MMO stands for Massively Multiplayer Online 3) When playing ff14 you pick a server and it costs money to permanently change but you can “visit” others for a time 4) I guess if you call text with no VA dialogue but then we are entering semantics because that adds zero value most ff14 dialogue is filler, anything important is voiced 5) Matters what you call a vendor, there is a player market which you buy everything from and every other vendor is useless for the most part since its better to cook your own food and buying weapons is pointless since crafting gives High quality gear rather than normal you are forced to buy 6) its your abilities that matter more than your stats considering your damage matters most for your skills (potency) 7) ff14 has leviquests and fates which are almost the exact same and provide 0 use other than xp and gil like Destiny does 8) Im playing FF14 because i have friends who want me to play it with them :/ prolly should have asked me rather than go “aha you playing that proved me right” and even then guess what im back at Destiny lmao

[spoiler] 1) games dont work like that, you cant play part of a games genre and only enjoy that part, i cant play Skyrim to get my fill of RPG genres because its not like Destiny and Starfield wouldn’t do the same either[/spoiler] Why do you think you can’t do that…? Yes the games are different, but someone who enjoys the niche genre that is Destiny will still find enjoyment in those other games because and I’ll say it one last time, just because people enjoy Destiny’s niche, that does not mean they ONLY ENJOY FPSRPG Looter shooters. You are a unique individual if you only enjoy that hyper specific genre. I like Destiny, but it’s PvP, it’s Gunplay, and movement, sometimes I want to play a more FPS centered game. Maybe I want to play to play a more hyper focused RPG like The Witcher 3 or Starfield.

[quote][spoiler] 1) games dont work like that, you cant play part of a games genre and only enjoy that part, i cant play Skyrim to get my fill of RPG genres because its not like Destiny and Starfield wouldn’t do the same either[/spoiler] Why do you think you can’t do that…? Yes the games are different, but someone who enjoys the niche genre that is Destiny will still find enjoyment in those other games because and I’ll say it one last time, just because people enjoy Destiny’s niche, that does not mean they ONLY ENJOY FPSRPG Looter shooters. You are a unique individual if you only enjoy that hyper specific genre. I like Destiny, but it’s PvP, it’s Gunplay, and movement, sometimes I want to play a more FPS centered game. Maybe I want to play to play a more hyper focused RPG like The Witcher 3 or Starfield.[/quote] PvP from CoD wont sate the PvP found in Destiny 2 lmao there is a reason people keep playing D2 PvP despite it beine the 2nd most neglectedmode

People play Destiny PvP for the gunplay, the guns are satisfying. But it is not: -Naturally competitive -There is no pro scene -It an incredibly low skill ceiling -It lacks meaningful incentive for playing COD is a horrible example…I play CSGO and R6. Much harder, more obviously focused FPS games. They easily satiate and better reward you for your FPS skill. Which Destiny, does not. Ask yourself this- Which is more likely to be the answer when asking someone “Do you enjoy RPGs or only FPSRPG Loot shooters?”

[quote]People play Destiny PvP for the gunplay, the guns are satisfying. But it is not: -Naturally competitive -There is no pro scene -It an incredibly low skill ceiling -It lacks meaningful incentive for playing COD is a horrible example…I play CSGO and R6. Much harder, more obviously focused FPS games. They easily satiate and better reward you for your FPS skill. Which Destiny, does not. Ask yourself this- Which is more likely to be the answer when asking someone “Do you enjoy RPGs or only FPSRPG Loot shooters?”[/quote] Lmao you actually think R6 and CS pvp is the same as Destiny PvP you are hilarious lmao As well you pose a really bad question, you are basically asking in a example that makes more sense “do you like sandwiches or do you like specifically a turkey and ceddar cheese sandwich on sourdough bread” you cant do such a broad comparison. People can like the RPG genre but prefer the sub-genre that is Looter Shooter MMORPG, but just playing another game doesn’t sate the unique genre you seem to not understand that

Huh? I quite literally gave you the differences between the 3. The point is that they are not similar and the FPS aspect of Destiny is not the same. Destiny lacks the depth of the other two in terms of a competitive FPS. You have refused to give evidence for a single thing you've said. You are now just spouting non sense. I have dumbed this down extremely. You have completely avoided the main argument now entirely. For that I am done.