This cannot be stressed enough. The ridiculous level of convoluted trash in this game when it comes to puzzles really needs to end. If there is a puzzle there should be hints and ciphers that are able to be deduced by using your brain, not by using google to randomly search out ridiculously obscure references that have absolutely no relevance to anything destiny in game and no dialogue or visual in game hint that is something that is discoverable or even earnable (think back to the ana bray nascent dawn diaries, those would have been really cool if each reward had a hint or meaning for a puzzle. The game giving us tons of garage that is completely useless then not giving any information for actual gameplay puzzles and mechanics is just lazy and embarrassing. It was because their history for convoluted puzzles i did not even bother to attempt any of these idiotic things. For real, in this stupid quest there are actual times you stand on an arbitrary symbol and shoot arbitrary letters or symbols in an arbitrary order based on exactly zero hints whatsoever. Like take the +VLFBERH+T "puzzle" where you randomly stand on a random symbol and even if you know what these swords were you have several garbage letters in the forge AND there are many alternate spellings of +VLFBERH+T so with absolutely zero in game hints or references this just boils down as an absolutely stupid waste of time. Solving the last wish raid was actually a lot of fun, it was fascinating streamers had such an incredibly hard time doing it, the only issue i had with the vault puzzle was that you have to waste essentially 6 people's time because the puzzle was an easy solve but handling the knights / deciphering what was wiping you was the hard part. IE, once you get to a 3rd orb a few times it is a remarkably easy puzzle to solve, we had identifying the odd out plate done in an hour, but corresponding it to the orbs by only ever getting to a 3rd orb a very very few set of times made the data points limited. The point is a puzzle like that one that is easily solvable by using your brain and the info given in the encounter is the way game puzzles ought to be. Convoluted random google scavenger hunts plus brute force are absolutely stupid, period. Lastly, pretending they didn't notice over the course of 24 hours of streamers having their followers carry them through the puzzle that a key and vital hint to this convoluted puzzle was missing fools no one. The never play test anything, let us just hope that new activisionless bungie hires, you know, 1 f...... play tester maybe ?? You know so bugs literally every player on earth routinely faces is caught maybe before the patch update is published ;)

Or in this case, solved by 0%

Remind me again how long it took YOU to figure it out? Shut yer fookin mouth, you little twerp

Sorry bud but he's right. Cryptic puzzles that are based on factual history are not a good idea. Had the puzzle been based on Lore, then it would truly be for "the base". I'm not against puzzles, but against those that require a search engine with no relevance to destiny gotta go.

[quote]You just admitted you're not smart.[/quote]

Most people don’t even know how to make events heroic, and you want puzzles to be solvable by most people? You could give them a 2 piece puzzle and they couldn’t solve it.

[quote]Yeah agree with this, I'm not expecting the majority to get them but around 15 -20 % should be able to solve, not just people who stream for a living.[/quote] In all fairness though, the streamers were getting help fae viewers and reddit so technically they weren’t solving it themselves - Jst implementing it.