Name 5 other multilayer FPS games with leaver penalties in quickplay.

Halo 2 Halo 3 Halo Reach Halo 4 CS:GO

Pretty sure for Halo that only applies to regular playlists and not social playlists. So for Destiny 2; Control would be considered the social playlist. Might be thinking about Infinite tho.

Social playlists were regular playlists.

Maybe I'm misremembering and thought it was only applied to ranked playlists.

I'm pretty sure every playlist in the old Halos had SBMM & ranks, but I definitely didn't play the ones that would equate to glory playlists because you couldn't take guests in, & they were paywalled behind map packs.

Arguing semantics never works. Classic Halo was never competitive in the first place, neither was Super Smash Bros. Key thing here is, both of those games got competitive scenes. Competitive games usually have alot on the line. High stakes, the best of the best playing each other for a reward. Casual has low stakes, play for fun. Its a very simple concept to grasp, but maybe not for an SBMM supporter.

Yes, exactly. Thank you. I find it complete idiocy many of these players constantly calling any player vs. player mode casual. Sure if a player wants to play casually, go for it. Use whatever character class you want, whatever weaponry and build setup you feel like using. But to think your opposition is willing to NOT use any and every advantage against you to claim a win, is straight up idiotic. Control still affects kd/stats and there is a winning side and a losing side. If someone wants a casual game, set up a private match, with prearranged rules both sides agree to, send out invites, and have your funzies.

Destiny isnt a competetive game in the first place, second i dont wanna sweat my Balls of just to play a little pvp, if i wanna play competetive i play counter strike or apex legends in the rankend playlist.... They desperately trying to make this game a competetive pvp game but its just not 😂 and it will never be Its just a casual game where players that suck in actually competetive games will Come and try to get good at and it, and tell their moms and dads to Look at their 1.5 kd that doesnt Even matter in this game either 😂😂😂😂 Nobody who is really good in pvp will take that game serious and that is why sbmm and quitting suspensions have no place in this game... Oh and no i dont have a 3 kd or higher because i dont give a -blam!- about my stats in this game... I just play it to have fun and enjoy my free time After work, if i wanna sweat i go to apex and play some diamond and Master Lobbys thats where its competetive and skillful not d2 😂😂😂

[quote] They desperately trying to make this game a competetive pvp game but its just not 😂 and it will never be [/quote] No they are making it more fun and fair.

For who? Just the players who are mediocre, and who invest the least time in PvP? It was already fair and fun for a lot of people, the reality is that this decision was a utilitarian decision. They sacrificed the matchmaking times, connection quality, leaver rate, and casual enjoyment of all of the skilled players who have invested a lot of time in PvP in order to make these things better for low-medium-skill players. Before it was fun at the expense of bad players, now it's fun for bad players at the expense of good players. Only time will tell whether Bungie keeps it this way, but IMO it doesn't make sense to screw the people who actually play a lot of PvP over. My ranking/ percentile didn't change at all as a result of the changes, so I don't really care that much, but I hate that I have to sweat my balls of every match in order to prevent an absolute shutout. If control is suddenly a COMPETITIVE mode, good players in the top percentiles deserve COMPETITIVE rewards that only they get.

[quote]For who? Just the players who are mediocre, and who invest the least time in PvP? It was already fair and fun for a lot of people, the reality is that this decision was a utilitarian decision. They sacrificed the matchmaking times, connection quality, leaver rate, and casual enjoyment of all of the skilled players who have invested a lot of time in PvP in order to make these things better for low-medium-skill players. Before it was fun at the expense of bad players, now it's fun for bad players at the expense of good players. Only time will tell whether Bungie keeps it this way, but IMO it doesn't make sense to screw the people who actually play a lot of PvP over. My ranking/ percentile didn't change at all as a result of the changes, so I don't really care that much, but I hate that I have to sweat my balls of every match in order to prevent an absolute shutout. If control is suddenly a COMPETITIVE mode, good players in the top percentiles deserve COMPETITIVE rewards that only they get.[/quote] You're offering a false choice. NO side is getting preference. Trying to make matches based on skill is the ONLY fair way to do this for everyone. Is it perfect? Nope. But it's a drastic improvement over the status quo. You and the rest of the complainers are showing their entitlement complex this season, and it's not a good look. Because you put "time in" clubbing seals in Control you should be catered to and given differential treatment? Nope, not how things should work. The only mistake Bungie made was letting this go on for so long that you guys honestly feel you deserve such entitlement. My god just listen to you. Hate to sweat your balls off every match? You really don't see the hypocrisy and entitlement in this statement, do you? You want special rewards for....what? Using the "skill" you think so highly of against other guys of your same skill level? Bullcrap you entitled brat. Do you even hear yourself? I've played more PVP in my life this season than the previous year I've played Destiny. So I'm a perfect example that if you make it fair and fun, people WILL play and play more.

[i]Competitive[/i] PVP in the FPS space generally implies some kind of rank structure or divisions, and some of rewards for climbing through those ranks. These games typically have a casual quickplay mode as well. Control has no ranking that anyone gets to see, and rewards are the same for everyone, win or lose, regardless of performance or difficulty of your opponents (this season it's Out of Bounds over and over). Calling Control "competitive" is a bad joke.

[quote][i]Competitive[/i] PVP in the FPS space generally implies some kind of rank structure or divisions, and some of rewards for climbing through those ranks. These games typically have a casual quickplay mode as well. .[/quote] Typically but not always. And is there something written in stone here that Bungie MUST follow? We all know why you guys are -blam!- up a storm now. And it sure as crap isn't the definition of "casual". Give it up. Nobody cares. You toxic elitists burned through any good will you might have had years ago on here with your constant condescension and trolling and bullying.

Different opinion on control being competitive = toxic troll. Nice. Good talk.

[quote]Different opinion on control being competitive = toxic troll. Nice. Good talk.[/quote] You don't get an "opinion" on it. It is what it is, it's not up to you. Just sick of you guys trying to use this dumb and dishonest "casual" loophole to revert back to the shitty status quo of stomping lobbies to your hearts content. The time for "good talk" died long ago. YOUR side killed it.