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Edited by LegendLogan10: 12/12/2017 1:16:19 PM
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Everyone should be required to take a politics course before being allowed to vote

It's scary how many people know nothing about the candidates they vote for.

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  • It's scary how many people are naïve enough to believe that there's an actual difference between two candidates besides the letter next to their name. [spoiler]Decent people in politics are the exception, not the rule. The vast majority of them cater to lobbyists, not their constituents. For those out there that are decent, that's great and I commend them. However on the national scale in terms of presidential elections, as our last election showed us, that is very rare. I don't have the time or energy to thoroughly research local or state candidates, and I don't want to vote by party. That's why I don't vote. I'd rather not vote and be criticized for that than have it on my conscience that I voted for someone like Donald Trump.[/spoiler]

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  • I'd prefer that politics itself was cleaned up. No more lobbying whatsoever, no smear campaigns, no childish insults. Debate on policy, facts and substantiated statistics. Dunno about everyone else but I am sick to the back teeth of world leaders sinking to petty insults, lies, truth-twisting and being beholden to whoever threw money at them as opposed to the majority of their voters. This is a problem that runs right through politics. No party is innocent of this.

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    • Let me amend this one more time: sites like these don't make these videos for the purposes of bringing awareness to an undereducated and unintelligent American populace that is generally insouciant to politics. These types of organizations exist for the sole purpose of making the other party look bad. In other words, they simply exist to farm political points off of unwitting morons and swiftly prune any smart answers that provoke a thoughtful and intelligent debate from the final video. There were a few people in that video that disappeared after answering the first question. No doubt because they offered an intelligent answer to subsequent questions, or figured out that they were on the conservative version of Candid Camera. It happens on both sides of the aisle. Just figured I'd point it out in regards to this video -- Campus Reform is notorious for this stuff.

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      • I don't vote because I don't have an interest in politics, but if I did, I would just mark "yes" for everything for shits and giggles. Hopefully that isn't illegal. [spoiler]In elementary school I picked random names for the student government election[/spoiler]

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      • Btw, OP. You might want to inform everyone else on this forum of the political leanings of [url=https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/campus-reform/]Campus Reform[/url]. If you go on their website, it's literally a conservative echo chamber that is still pretty underground and not popular, but they tend to post over sensationalized bullshit. [url=https://www.campusreform.org/]It's pretty much an tryhard, edgelord version of The Onion[/url], except that it's not humorous.

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        • It was a requirement to graduate high school, in the state of Arizona, to take an American government course. But I don't think a political course would help these people. They need a critical thinking course

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          • Ah, suppression of the right to vote. The authoritarian Right strikes again.

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            • Videos like this are so stupid. So if they asked a “liberal” these questions and they absolutely smoked them and knew everything there was to know, you think that would have made it in the video?? Of course not. Anyone can make a heavily edited, one-sided video.

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              • Edited by Samantha: 12/12/2017 11:43:21 PM
                The title of that video is more than slightly misleading. I got more vibes regarding their intelligence levels from the way they answered the questions rather than the answers themselves. The guy asked a bunch of people about what they thought about individual parts of the tax plan under the guise that they were sponsored by Sanders instead of Trump. You can't quite blame them for falling for it, considering the fact that the tax bill is excruciatingly long and there are a lot of extra things both relevant and irrelevant that are in there along with the general tax plan. Any liberal who shoots down something Trump does just because it's Trump is a moron. (the same goes for conservatives -- Trump himself is guilty of the same "liberal/conservative cooties" behavior) There are some good things in that tax plan, like the small business cuts. But those things don't make the entire tax bill great, nor does it mean that a couple average liberals off the street "agree" with the entire tax plan because because they agree with a few good clauses that are in there. Back on topic, though, here's the fact: 90% of the populace is comprised of dumb sheep. They know one word and one word only: follow. But as scary is that is, restricting voting rights in any way is bad for democracy. You want to create civil unrest? Restrict voting rights based on whatever clause. Literacy. Political knowledge. What's more, these clauses leave a lot of gray area to be exploited. What's going to stop a conservative in California from being turned away from the polls? A liberal in Alabama? Both of them are legally competent and de jure voters but both got turned away because of some "political knowledge" clause. I mean, this has happened before. Blacks were denied voting privileges on so-called "literacy" tests. It's a slippery slope. And a really bad one to get started down.

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                • So uh.. who would teach it? A republican or a democrat?

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                  • >lol liberals are dumb >video shows a man asking if they like a bill by only giving them hints of information, not all of it. So first he says "This is Bernie Sanders tax plan" okay cool, nbd. Then comes the stupid part, he says Bernie Sanders, again, then only says" intends to enhance the child tax credit" then explains what it is and asks "positive or negative." For one this isn't "tricking" anyone. If he were to explain the "enhancements" fully they would learn that his tax plan doesn't help lower income families, and [url=https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/child-tax-credit-increases-in-gop-tax-plan-exclude-millions-of-children-in-low]it actually helps the top 1% more or families making 6 figure incomes.[/url] You can't call liberal college students stupid when he doesn't even explain the whole thing of Trump's tax plan. Just "here's a thing in it, and this is what it means, but I'm not going to explain what it intends to do in trumps tax plan." This video doesn't prove liberals like Trump's plan. At best it shows liberals like certain positive points in them when they benefit everyone, unlike his plan which intends to benefit the 1%.

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                    • Everyone should have to take a reality course before they should be allowed to vote. Anyone believing in things that aren't backed up with evidence shouldn't get to decide the future of a country. You'd be screwed.

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                      • Well their votes don’t really matter anyways because of gerrymandering so... the government knows people are -blam!-, so they pretty much decide the elections before they happen.

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                      • Teach how to vote or the election process only. Teachers only should say to research the candidate, look at the views, policies and so forth and then make your decision. Teachers nowadays try to influence their students views on their candidate or party and bash the others. Schools should teach fundamentals again. For the love of god, dont just vote based on gender, ethnicity, or party.

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                        • In theory that might help but it would end up being biased towards one party or another. Honestly, most of our sources of political information are. The fact that there are so many middlemen between the people and information is definitely part of the division in the US right now. People hear what people want them to hear, and a vast majority of the people dishing out the information are to some degree politically extreme. It sucks.

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                        • The right to vote is allowed, you have the right to be blamed, so... thank you👍👍

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                        • *sigh* It’s entirely tautological, but relevant to note that individuals most susceptible to divisive political rhetoric lack the ability to detect the difference between the rhetoric they support and objective truth. This is demonstrated not only by the individuals being asked questions, but also by the intended audience of this video. [quote]Campus Reform holds itself to rigorous journalism standards and strives to present each story with accuracy, objectivity, and public accountability.[/quote] *makes video showcasing the exact opposite of that*

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                          • People still make these stupid strawman videos?

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                            What exactly would be taught in this course?

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                            • I agree.

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                            • For all the aspiring online sofa lawyers on the Offtopic: http://online-learning.harvard.edu/course/american-government Thank Harvard for this.

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                                Why not make school more efficient so that you don't constantly have to turn to outside sources to learn?

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                                • Because not allowing people the right to vote is a good thing to do.

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                                • What does this video prove? I’m sure you could do exactly the same thing with conservatives. Take aspects of one of the lefts tax plans (Obama’s or whatever) and interview conservatives saying it’s Trumps plan. I’m sure they would all nod their heads and say how awesome it is. All this video proves is that the majority of people (left or right) have political biases and don’t really know much about the detail of legislation that congress passes. People are ignorant - wow, what an amazing revelation. For example here’s a random bill introduced in the house from a random date. Would you know whether it’s Republican or Democrat just by reading it: [quote]This bill requires the Department of Defense (DOD) to: (1) submit to specified congressional committees the Defense Business Board study entitled "Transforming Department of Defense's Core Business Processes for Revolutionary Change" and any supporting information used by the board to conduct such study, and (2) make such study publicly available. The bill sets forth House and Senate procedures for the expedited consideration of legislation to implement at least 80% of the DOD cost savings identified in such study.[/quote] These sorts of videos (left and right) are always completely manipulative. They interview a whole bunch of people, edit out all the smart people and leave in all the ignorant people. This guy takes minute aspects of the plan that are on appearance good and totally ignores any aspects of the plan that are bad. I’d like to see him interview someone educated on the subject of tax law and see how quickly he gets dismantled.

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                                • Every voting season there are campaigns like "rock the vote!" & others thay talk about how not enough people are voting. They try to make it seem all cool, and hip, without really talking about why it's important or how to be informed. I've always said that if the only reason you are voting is because you saw a "rock the vote" commercial on MTV, then please don't vote.

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                                • Why would you need to take politics to know who you’re voting for

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