This turned out a lot worse than even I expected, and it should be noted I had extremely low expectations. Solo players were just handed a much harder path (PvE heavy nerf because... why?). Apparently we're supposed to primary only bosses (after all, snipers just got hit on ammo, too), except now we are mostly nerfing primaries. Damn. Damndamndamn. I can't defend these jackasses. I really, REALLY hate having my intelligence insulted by them, saying things like "Heavies just feel different when you have more ammo". I know, DeeJ. That word you're looking for is "effective", or maybe "viable".

So glad I uninstalled. Between this absolutely abhorrent "balance" patch and the friction focused micro transaction this game has turned into an absolutely joke.

How about we just stop playing this horrible game? It's obviously gone down the shitter. Just wait for destiny 2 and see what it looks like and just red box the shit. I can't stand bungie anymore though. It's only nerfs with them.

Hey Sols. Can you make a post about the bladedancer blink strike bug please. Haven't seen Bungie addressed the situation and bladedancers are one shotting players of full health. Please respond.

Thanks Sols. Cant watch streams while hauling explosives down the highway. Glad they didnt screw with fusion grenades. Stormcallers hopefully arent useless. Wont be surprised if they are. Just keep showing me the door bungie ill eventually leave. The ammo nerf for Icebreaker will just encourage camping. Hilarious they nerfed thorn again. I guess its not a update if they dont nerf it lol.

[b]Okay, here's my feedback from the announcements. First the positive things I liked, the "meh", then things I didn't. If I don't mention it, I either don't know enough about it or don't care. [/b] GOOD STUFF: "1:11 need to be closer, no more speed revives 1:12 two seconds added to trials revives. 7 first death, 14 second, etc" [b]Agree that Trials revives needed some adjustment. Very difficult for a more casual than die hard player to work against a die hard team that has revives down to a science. [/b] "1:17 now spawn with special ammo again. No more Icebreaker workaround. 1:18 special ammo spawns in later at 3 minute and 5 minute marks. Overall less special ammo." [b]Sure, OK. Not sure if this helps even out the sniper meta, but I like having special for my fusion right from the get go.[/b] "1:21 Crucible legendary drops increased (none drop in game they finish lol)" [b]Sure, Cool. Could always use more 3 legendary marks. AMIRIGHT GUYS?!?!?! Guys? Okay moving on..[/b] "1:22 can get up to 335 from Shaxx weekly bounty. 1:23 lighthouse chest drop weapons and armor now up until 335 1:23 trials bounties up to 330 and new daily bounty added 1:25 IB artifact and ghost will drop at 320" [b]Sure, OK. Will believe it when I see it but sounds good. [/b] "1:31 Fusion stability increase across board. Claim less kick..." [b]SWEET. Wait... DID THEY JUST BUFF FUSION RIFLES?!?!?!?! [/b] "1:31 snipers zoom distance increased a bit on short site scopes 1:33 two frames of zoom time increase. snapshot 20% down from 30% increase 1:34 all snipers slight stability nerf" [b]I am seriously all for doing things to help level out the sniper meta. I snipe all the time in PVE. I couldn't hit the side of a barn in PVP, and I get my ass handed to me all the time by snipers. Can't even play Trials at all because of it. I like a straight up gun fight. I win those 60%-70% of the time. But honestly I don't think the above is enough. Why no adjustments to aim assists and the hit box WTF is that shit? There are countless videos of head shot where the cross hairs were no where near the person... [/b] "1:36 Suros slight buff from AR buff. Spinning up starts 4 rounds later. 1:37 focus fire range buff, can be maxed" [b]Cool. Been wanting to try out Suros again. [/b] "1:41 Icebreaker ammo no longer persists when switching weapons. Less stability. 1:42 ammo doesn't persist from Sidearms either." [b]It's about -blam!-ing time. I can't believe it took them this long to fix this. I guess better late than never...[/b] "Warlock Changes" [b]I don't play Lock, so I don't know how painful this is to them. But, making them easier to kill is OK with me. I sure think that Landfall, Storm Trance duration, and Radiance shield and duration were on the "WTF? REALLY???" side, but I never got my undies in a twist over it. [/b] "1:47 Quillem's, less ammo" [b]Yeah, I don't have one of those. That f-ing thing and the lucky a-hole that used it would get like 3 kills on me with one HM drop sometimes... usually because I was playing like a dumbass but STILL. [/b] MEH THING: [b]Handcannon changes. Thorn changes....? Do we have to remind Bungie that it's year 2 and Thorn is a Y1 weap? [/b] THE UGLY: "1:19 heavy ammo once per match now at 5 minute mark" [b]I hate this. I love the mad rush to heavy 3 times a match. They BETTER elminate or serverly lesson requirements for Heavy Weapons Crucible Bounties, especially Iron Banner ones. [/b] "1:29 ARs high RoF damage nerf" [b]This is too bad. I love my Hatchet for PVP. Got a pretty good roll and I feel I can compete with any other primary and secondary with it. We will see how bad the damage nerf is[/b] "1:35 MIDA (oh -blam!-)" [b]"MIDA Multi-Tool is very popular. What are we doing to make it less popular?" These words came out of Deej's mouth during the presentation. And I don't believe it was a "slip". I believe Bungie actually thinks this way. Instead of "Hey, MIDA is really kicking the shit out of people... what can we do to some other gun types to make them more competitive". That's -blam!-ing sad...[/b] "Less special ammo players can hold. More bricks drop in PvE to offset" [b]In addition to a nerf on amount of Heavy you can hold, with NO bricks in PVE to offset. This is a yet another dumb decision in a very long line of dumb decisions that relate to PVE players being a victim to PVP nerfs. It's -blam!-ing stupid. 100% of all PVE players will be affected negatively because 20% of PVP players run around and "collect special ammo". -blam!-ING STUPID! [/b] "1:44 talking consistency in experience" [b]This one really took the cake. J-Dubya telling us that Bungie "philosophy" is that PVE and PVP experiences should be the same. What a crock of shit. PVE and PVE ARE NOT THE SAME. You play both differently, you use different weapons, the very fundamentals of how you act/react/shoot/move are ALL DIFFERENT. Either your developers are either too ignorant to realize that making changes that hurt one game type to buff another is not something that a game developer of your stature should be doing, or you have consciously made the decision that trying to separate PVE and PVP changes are not worth the resources to perform. Don't give me some shit about "consistency in experience" between PVP and PVE. I could go all -blam!-ing day on this. STFU!!!!![/b] Anyways, that's all I've got for now, see you guys later.

Cozmo, you seem to be actively entertaining responses to this thread, I hope you don't mind me asking a few questions. If these are planned to be answered in TW@B tomorrow, no worries. How much are the ammo reserves of hand cannons being buffed? I got a really great roll on an Imago Loop a couple months ago, but haven't been able to take it into King's Fall because it only carries 55 in reserve. Similarly, if you play-tested this, how common are special and heavy ammo drops in PvE? Were you able to feel comfortable using something like a shotgun extensively, or would you run out of ammo more often than before (with the now-decreased ammo reserves). Was it "about the same" as it is now? How much were resurrection overshields reduced by? Additional info about how Voidwalker was changed would be nice. In the stream, they were rather brief and vague. (EDIT: Did Fabian Strategy get nerfed, because the "Front Lines" exotic perk switched it to a high RoF autorifle?) Lastly. Super, ridiculously hard question here... Is the new Dreg's Promise fun?

So, as I watched them discuss the changes, players in the back ground had to practically stand still to get kills. Last word and mida are now garbage. Suros and fusions are the new meta. And for all of us pve players who focus on the toughest end game content. Snipers and machine guns are toast. People complained about year 1 weapons and even those got screwed. The only last thing left is swords. I'm sure their next

I'm gonna comment later on what I think the positive changes (because there are a good amount) are and what I don't like (not as much as I thought there'd be). You guys think we use this same thread or start a new? Also, Lost, your summary is missing one BIG POINT J-Dubya commented on. PVP and PVE seperation and why they don't it. What a crock of shit that explanation was. How out of touch can you be with your PVE players???

I say all the time how I love MIDA. I like that it's still a 4 shot headshot. I hate that they removed the high-cal rounds, but ONLY because that'll mean no flinch to enemies in PvE. Since, you know, Bungie doesn't know the difference. I honestly couldn't care less that it doesn't cause as much flinch in PvP; I can adapt to that.

Thorn? No one uses thorn yet it gets pooped on. The MIDA nerf won't kill its popularity.

The biggest issue for me would be why not just affect the ammo carry capacity in PVP.... leave the weapon operate the same, but allow the clip and backpack reserves be extended in PVE?

Mida will be affected in PvP. The fusions looked like they were shooting lazers again. Storm callers are going to stop spamming the lightning button, seems pretty fair. Not sure about the Rez changes, can't wait to try it. I think the special ammo update will be good over all as long as they do drop more bricks in PvE. My prediction is that the next nerf post will include, Red Death, Surros, Fusions, snipers and Dregs promise. Almost forgot Hawkmoon.