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Edited by Lost Sols:
3/1/2016 4:13:56 AM
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How to make friends with Warlocks & win at Destiny with the worst weapon class in the game.
So another Iron Banner is in the books and I thought it was awesome. I love IB clash because the games for the most part all seem to come down to the wire.
Going into this IB, I was determined to try to remaster the -blam!-ed over version of Fusion Rifles that currently exist in the game as well as show once more that nothing is op and any class can compete in this game.
Now if you don't play with Fusion Rifles and just watch the videos, this is NOT typical year 2 performance. Yes they can still be the most fun weapon class in the game, but also by far the most frustrating. ALL the footage is from this IB and the opening sequence is something that has become the sad reality for most of year 2 so far and I've tried to show that in videos past.
Today I want to show what is still possible when you practice the -blam!- out of something and use everything at your disposal to win. Weapons, abilities, supers and most importantly, map and situational awareness and also discuss exactly where Fusion Rifles sit in the current meta.
Honestly, after all the changes Bungie have made, the only one that there is no compensating for is the one thing I would be happy if they'd fix just that.
Fusion beams de-spawning.
Everything else I can adjust and overcome. I've learned a completely different aim point to compensate the stability nerfs. I've relearned the range at which I can somewhat reliably count on them to be effective. What I can't do is go 1v1 against a shotgun and win if they pull the trigger. It's a win for them 100 times out of 100 because their shot is an instant kill and mine disappears and it's broken as hell (along with grenades de-spawning on death).
So to all the chirpy mother-blam!-ers who like to tell me I don't know how to use a fusion rifle. Yes, actually I do and EVERY SINGLE SHOT in this video would have been a kill 8 months ago.
Last but not least to everyone that screams for nerfs for MIDA, Shotguns, Fusionbolts, Thorn, TLW, etc. Instead of always asking for nerfs, try challenging yourself to be better. I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Nothing in this game is OP and it's up to you to choose what kind of Guardian you want to be. One who asks for the competition to be brought to your level, or one who gets knocked down and gets right the -blam!- back up.
You can nerf my -blam!-ing gun. You can't nerf me.
Here is the link to the full video for anyone interested https://youtu.be/iflr06bWfio
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Edited by OdinsKnight101: 3/7/2016 7:06:59 PMLost sols. Ever since the launch of ttk I have been doing the attatude you have set here. Let me just say thank you, I could never have said it better myself. You are a true insperation. Wish I could do more than like.
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2 RepliesI dont like you lost sols. You're a cry baby...but damn you have good taste in music. Also Nerf fusion rifles...they're OP
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Lost Sols. I've given you shit in the past for posting too much, complaining etc. This post however bring things to a whole new level. The fact that you have Radiohead "Let Down" in this video now makes you, by far, THE COOLEST MOTHER -blam!-ER ON THESE FORUMS. Thanks.
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I agree,fusion rifles need a buff.
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I don't ask for nerfs often, the only thing that I've ever thought needed to be nerfed was pre nerf Hammer of Sol, Fist of Havoc, Stormtrance's duration, and Snipers. All of those have counterplay except for snipers though. The only counter for a sniper is to use a sniper against them. This is the equivalent, to a fighting game where you have only one S tier character and the only way to beat them is to counterpick with whoever they are.
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1 ReplyIt's quite astonishing to me.... People act like you can't switch weapons in pvp. I suck at pvp but my bud is great at it top 100 world. He said all he does is watch what they use and switch weapons against theirs... People crying saying my auto rifle is t killing your shotgun at point blank range.... Well no shit
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Its not the guns that are OP, its the strategy, its always strategy. No matter what anyone says. (besisdes lag)
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3 RepliesI also hate that the faster charging ones have their stats measured differently after the December nerf (I think). My Split Shifter has the same impact and stability as my Susanoo (they both have hot swap) but now my Split Shifter does only 38 damage and is still everywhere, only with Hot Swap is it more bearable. That thing used to be one of my Trials weapons.
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13 RepliesI'd really like to see you test a Doctrine of Passing against the other current top 5 primaries in the game. I sure as hell couldn't win against them 1v1.
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3 RepliesCan someone please explain what fusion de-spawning means? I use fusion rifles a lot but I don't know what this refers to.
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[quote]Fusion beams de-spawning.[/quote] Fix, now, please, oh god.
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https://youtu.be/UjxQXvk5bxI
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9 RepliesI fully endorse anyone who wants to do whatever they want and go against the meta, but to claim that nothing is op because a good enough player can compete is a fallacious argument. A good player can take Ganondorf or Bowser to top 8 in a Smash Tournament, but Marth, Shiek, Fox, etc are just objectively better characters in every way. I see what you're trying to do/ say though.
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2 RepliesPlan c still works swimmingly!
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1 ReplyThe shots disappearing is the main thing I hate. You should be trading/killing someone and you might get one bullet on them. It's also the most lag effected weapon, which can cause huge issues too. Plan C is pretty good, but can suffer from the same projectile disappearance problem.
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1 ReplyBuff lost sols and his fusion rifles but noone else's haha again great topic you always make me laugh lost sols. Yeah people need to restrategize then call nerfs all the time and adapt to each meta that appears.
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3 RepliesI noticed this quite a bit during IB. Go toe toe with a shotgunner and even hear my shot go off and see beams fire but as soon as he one shots me the beams don't register...at all. Annoying as hell.
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2 RepliesI love my fusion rifle, but the only reason it is good, is cause I have max stability on the thing... Unless it's max or 90% stability, it's just like pissing in the wind... The trials fusion has a low kickback when fired, but still... Same issue.
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17 RepliesThe only thing that legitimately deserves a nerf in my opinion is landfall. Its free insta kills and can shutdown any super at 0 cost
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1 ReplyMidha's reckoning does 50 damage to the body with each beam, and if all of the beams hit at a close enough range (think Twilight Gap) it can be a one shot kill.
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1 ReplyAwesome post and video. A video of this caliber deserves a thoughtful response. Your video footage is 100% accurate as to the frustrations present with fusion rifles in the current version of the game. I could not agree with you more. Here are a couple quotes I wanted to comment on. [quote]Nothing in this game is OP and it's up to you to choose what kind of Guardian you want to be. [/quote] I have maintained this philosophy since back in Y1 when I decided to begin taking Crucible in a serious manner. At first I wasn't really concerned about any performance metrics. I quickly realized this game has something about it which compels me to get better at certain skillsets pertaining to PVP and first person shooters in general. I've never really had a game bring that out before Destiny. In that effort, I realized there was two distinct paths one may take; the easy way or the hard way. Its very easy to hop on the bandwagon and take the easy route to victory by the means of broken archetypes. IMO, hopping on that bandwagon in no way improves your skills. It is extremely evident the multitude of layers of skills required in order to be successful with fusion rifles as compared to any other special weapon type. I applaud you for going against the grain and honing your skillset. [quote]Yes they can still be the most fun weapon class in the game, but also by far the most frustrating.[/quote] Fusion rifles and frustration have become synonymous after 2.0. I think you may have opened my eyes regarding the fusion beams/bolts despawning. My specific frustration with fusion rifles as they are now is how they actually perform. I am unable to use a single fusion rifle for more than purpose. Let me explain that further. I noticed in your video you are using the Thesan FR4. I love that fusion, and I use it a lot as well. However, i cannot get really close range kills using the Thesan for the life of me. I have to switch to a faster charge rate Split Shifter Pro to be successful at close range. But choosing to only go for close range kills immediately puts me at the disadvantage at longer range kills a Thesan would easily achieve. In effect, a fusion rifle can really only be effective in a narrow range. When you compare that to a single sniper rifle, it's almost ridiculous how easy it is to be effective at literally any range. That in it of itself rubs me the wrong way, and I do not understand how the Development Team cannot see the inherent imbalance in that. [quote]Instead of always asking for nerfs, try challenging yourself to be better.[/quote] You said it perfect. TL;DR Awesome video, this is true MOTW quality. For everyone out that salty about PVP remember one thing, #getgud before you cry nerf.
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Something we agree on, nice.
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i like the combo of my warlock specific fusion and NLB, its really fun sweeping house with some of the worst weapons in the game.
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Hit me up with a shout out on your next podcast! Lol!
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3 Repliesbump, bring fusions back!!!!
