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12/23/2017 1:01:16 PM
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I can link 10 articles that say the earth is flat, or 10 articles that say it's round. You can find anything to support your side of the argument on the internet. It doesnt change the FACT that the sole Ruling party in China is the COMMUNIST PARTY AND THERE manifesto is Communist ideals. The economy is controlled by the government. I'm sure America would love China to be capitalist so American capitalism didnt seem like such a failure, but its Communist. You should fi d out what Communism is. China isnt the only Communist country in the world nor the only succesful one. The Russian government still employ over 80% of its population. They still adhere to some Communist ideals. America uses Communist programs to feed its starving and poor population, but if you need an article to tell you that isnt real then you do that.
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You probably could find thise articles if you looked for them specifically, however i did not. I simply typed in, "is China actually communist?" And these are some of the top articles that came up (that i am sure you havent read). In fact funny enough at least teo of the articles state that the Chinese government itself doesnt even say that China is a communist country. Kind of defeats your entire argument when that government itself doesnt day what you are saying. The article actually quotes Chincese government documents by the way. Though this all begs the obvious question. Since China is obviously not traditional communism, and you seem to suggest what you want isnt traditional communism. Please let everyone know what does your ideal communism look like. Because if your ideal version of communism is what China has, than it no longer becomes a question of if its possible, but rather it becomes a statement of i dont want it ever to be possible. The system that China has is absolutely terrible, and an insult to the very idea of traditional communism. I for one do not want to live in a country where i cannot speak out if i think my government is making a mistake. I dont want to live in a country where the government tells me which religions i can and cant believe in, what sexual orientation i can and cant be, and how many children i can and cannot have. I dont want to live in a nation where the government can kick me out of my home and demolish it, even if i built that home with my own bare hands. I dont want to live in a country where the government ignores it mentally disabled people and then claims it doesnt have any problems with mentally disabled people (i have an aunt thar has first hand experience with this if you want more details). Which by the way even if i feel the government is wrong to ignore this group of people i cant say anything for fear of death. I dont want to live in a country where the standard practice to deal with peaceful protests is to roll out tanks and open fire on people. Or where making a joke about the government or even a joke the government just doesnt like, is met with a bullet to the head and my family being handed a bullet casing and a bill for the bullet. I dont want to live in a country where the government is allowed to use "controlled nuclear blasts" to clear out pathways for water, and i cant say anything about it. I dont want to live in a country where what i pay for loans, whether or not i have a car, or even a home, is dependant upon if i know someone in the government. If China is your idea of good communism, then i want absolutely no part of it.
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Do you know what a Planned economy is and what type of society has one and which one that doesn't? Care to take a guess? Thats the only two words you really need to crap on all your articles that you searched for. The 5 year plan that a certian country just released. Somethi g that only happens in Communist countries. A planned economy is a staple of communism and guess who has a planned economy? You have no clue what Communism is. OBVIOUS by the articles you linked. Articles which you didnt read. A word that you dont understand. Whose meaning escapes you. What party Rules China? What system is based on equality and who principles include a planned economy? Something no capitalistic country has ever done? Go on say it. What ki d of society is China?
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China is a type of society i absolutely never want to be apart of. As i clearly demonstrated in my last reply. And in no way does China stand for equality, they have the exact same problems where a tiny percentage of the population, have everything, including the wealth. Also if China is so amazing and your idea of a perfect government then go move there. And by move to China i mean mainland China, not Hong Kong (which wants away from China by the way). I know for a fact that you arent in mainland China right now as a citizen because if you were we would not be having this conversation. So if it is so amazing what are you still doing in the country you are in? Go to mainland China and become a Chinese citizen, then no one on these forums will ever hear from you again, because such communications are not allowed. You have done nothing to refute any of the things i have stated about how terrible their system is. About how their citizenry has such massively reduced rights, to the point where they cant even have peaceful protests for fear of death. Are you true so ignorant of the policies of a nation that you claim to be your champion of communism? Also i did read every article i posted, and communism goes beyond simply the economy, especially since the economy itself bleeds into everything else. If you truly believe that communism is only limited to the economy of a country then you have not learnt the first thing about communism. You have also yet to describe your idea of an ideal communist nation, or even say if China is your ideal communist nation. Which once again if it, then no thank you. I dont care for having my life and lively hood be at the whim of which ever tyrannical leader is in power at the time. I dont want to be in a country where the government can choose to kill off a group of people, and i cant say anything about it or be killed along with them.
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What country was it that dropped a nuclear weapon on women and children? Was it China? What country occupies 70% of the world militarily? Is it a Communist country? What country is it that is in a perpetual state of war? Is it China? What type of society drops bombs on women and children daily in Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen? Is it a Communist society? What country has overthrown more governments and killed more civilians than any other nation currently in the world? Is it China? What society has children begging Santa for food and blankets? Is it a Communist society? What type of society clothes, feeds, houses and educates its citizens? Its a Communist society!!
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Editado por Nickel7Dime: 12/23/2017 7:55:53 PMFirst off if you think there are not people who are hungry and homeless in China then you are sadly mistaken, and i would hazard a guess that you have therefore never been to China. Second, the United States using two nuclear bomb all the way back in world war 2 doesnt really seem to relevant. Especially seeing as had China developed the nuclear bomb i have no doubt that they would have alsp dropped it on Japan, and would have likely been far more brutal after Japan had surrendered (especially considering how japan treated China). You also are talking with the misconception that China wouldnt do the exact same kind of things if they could. The same things you are saying the U.S. does have been done by a communist nation it was known as the USSR. A communist nation also known for forcing millions of its population to starve to death (especially in the Ukraine). You want to know the reason China doesnt typically get involved in world affairs? Because it costs them money when they do. The only times China has ever bothered to either help or harm people of other nations are when they directly profit from it. It Is why china has sold weapons to countries that have been black listed, it is why china sold machetes to Uganda, and never once questioned why the country had ordered far more machetes and guns then they could possibly need for regular use. The Chinese government is based just as much around greed. The only reason China doesnt occupy at the very least every surrounding nation with its military is simply because all other nations will not allow them to, especially the united states. Who massacres it own women and children? Who kills off and pushes down any and all potential political rivals? Who kicks thousands out of their homes to then just put them in a spot where in a matter of a few years their towns will fall into the river? Who ignores almost its entire mentally ill population? I am not in any way trying to argue that the united states is the best or even a very good country. But at the very least it treats its own citizenry as people and gives them rights. It at the very least is a far better country to live in. I will be the first to say the U.S. definitely needs to butt out of world issues for everyones sake. But China is most definitely no better, their ambitions have just been kept mostly in check by everyone else and their greed, for now. A nation that has no problem with killing its own women and children would not have a second thought about killing women and children on foreign soil. Also one very important question, what race/nationality are you? Essentially are you white or not?
