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12/23/2017 7:30:57 AM
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Idk what this is supposed to mean? That companies who are bankrupt are better at making video games? Thats worked for crytek! That they dont need to male money? We live in a capitalistic world where success is based of the accumulation of wealth. Until we stop capitalism we deff cant stop companies from taking advantage of us or being greedy.
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That could not be further from the truth, you seem to be missing the many rule of capitalism. The customer holds all the power, companies can only try to take advantage of people as long as people allow them to. In capitalism consumers hold all the power. Consumers can force things to change any time that they want. Any large and successful companies knows the golden rule of the customer is always right, because the day a company decides that its customers are all wrong is the day their company fails. No customers equals no company, it is as simple as that.
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Yea customers hold all the power. Thats funny. People buy what they're told to buy. Marketing manipulation doesnt let people hold the power and when people do come together its often for the wrong reasons because of coporate or government marketing. People common people dont hold any power of any kind in the modern capitalist world. People are raised and indoctrinated from children in capitalistic society to be selfish, Materialistic, drones that only seek the accumulation of wealth. Its built into our society. Until capitalism falls greed and selfishness will remain.
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You seemed to be mistaken by what came first, greed did not come from capitalism in any way, capitalism came about due to peoples greed. The most basic example that perfectly illustrates this can be found by looking at babies. Any parent can attest to the fact that children are naturally greedy. We have to be taught things like how to share, how to think from another's perspective, and even that it is better to help others over ourselves. The first interaction one baby/child tends to have with another is taking something that they bad first, which is then followed by an adult telling them they need to share. Greed is human nature, kindness is a trait that is taught and learnt, either through necessity or social education. Also the notion that someone forces you to buy their product is absolute idiocy. I for one do not buy anything i do not want to, its as simple as that. I dont buy silver from eververse because i dont wantto, i dont buy alcohol because i dont like the taste and so i choose not to buy it, i dont buy cigarettes because i dont want to, and i dont gamble because i dont want to. Funny how easy it is to not buy something you dont want to. Capitalism even allows people to choose not to buy things that they really do need to buy, such as birth control, or more importantly child immunizations. Capitalism allows for consumers to make their own decisions, whether it is a smart decision or not. Companies of course try to influence people with smart marketing, and some of course try underhanded tactics. However most groups do not allow for extremely underhanded tactics due to the simple fact that most companies do not wish for the public to outright distrust them. If all advertisements were allowed to be false then people wouldnt trust them, and they would then be ineffective. Companies know this so they make a set of rules for all companies to follow to ensure something like that doesnt happen. No one is indoctrinated to buy tons of things, it is human nature to want tons of things. Anyone who has studied any kind of ancient civilization through archaeology will tell you that want to have all the pretty things, and things others want, has been around far longer than the very concept of capitalism. Ao saying that capitalism leads to that is completely backwards.
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Capitalism is greed. It is a greed based society. Thats just a fact. Change dkesnt happen in a capitalist society unless its based around profit which comes back to everything I've said. Capitalism is society based on the accumulation of wealth which exploits greed and forced inequality. These are proven indisputable facts. It is a society based on the individual which means selfishness. Its not based on Community togetherness like Communism. Its not based on equality like Communism. It exists solely to seperate society into classes based on wealth which then measures ones success based on these facts and the fact America just isnt capitalist it's free market capitalism exacerbates these problems. The free market is where consumer protections come from. NoT capitalism. They are two different things which is where you are confused
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What you are confused about is the actual root of the problem. There is a reason that things like communism just dont work, they dont work with human nature. As you said capitalism is based on greed, but it did not create that greed, that greed existed a long time before capitalism was even thought of. Humans are naturally greedy, this is why communism just will never work, it is a lovely idea, but will never be successful. Humans will always want more of something, and will always want what others have, so as long as human nature exists so to will basic concepts of capitalism under one name or another. You seem to have this idea that if capitalism falls then things will magically change, that suddenly society wont be greedy, but that just isnt true. Societies were greedy before the name of capitalism was brought about, and they will continue to be greedy after. It is why communism has failed every single time a group has tried to implement it, it failed in Russia, and it failed in China. Policies cant change human nature, it is as simple as that. The root of the problem that you seem to hate is human nature, not capitalism. Just as the root of the holocaust was not the [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] government but rather the general attitudes towards groups such as jewish, and slavic people, mentally and physically handicapped people, gypsies, homosexuals, non white people, etc. You have missed attacking the root and have instead attack a stem. This isnt to say the stem is necessarily good, but as long as the root remains the stem will just come back in one form or another. And good luck trying to attack human nature, especially something that has been constant throughout all of humanities time.
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Communism doesnt work? Weird the fastest growing economy in the world is Communist. The country with the most people in the world. COMMUNIST. COMMUNISM IS LITERALLY BASED ON EQUALITY AND COMMUNITY. That is the founding principles of Communism. You dont even know what you're talking about lol. Like saying greed came before capitalism. Thats not even relevant. Capitalism exploits greed. Its a whole society build on greed as a way measure success. You're talking in circles out of confusion. Stop it.
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Oh your under the impression that china actually follows communism. Have you even looked at the communist manifesto? For one thing, one of the firs few points in the manifesto states no child labour, can you guess which country that is rampant in that you claim in communist? Then there is the fact that true communist countries are supposed to do away with govenments, they arent supposed to have centralized power, because that is a small group of people with power and control over all others, meaning they are not equal. And so can you guess which country has one of the strongest and most controlling governments in the world. So controlling in fact that free speech is technically illegal, and they arent even allows things like facebook. Do you also know whih country uses so little of the ideas of communism that pretty much every political scientist no longer refers to it as actually being communist. It is instead referred to as a mixture of communism and capitalism. Do you also know which country gets almost 100% of its wealth from capitalist systems? And that without capitalist countries it would still be an extremely poor country? The answer is China. You have picked possibly one of the least true communist countries ever to be your supposed champion of communism. China has literally picked and chose the few parts of communism that would initially give all power to the government and they have ignored everything else. People are in no way equal in china, heck the vast majority dont even own their own land, the government and the few people in the government own it. Your grand example of communism is the least fair and equal nation you could possibly have. They dont even have anything close to equality of the sexes let alone equality of the classes. If china is your idea of what the future should look like, then your future is in deep trouble. I mean people in china arent even allowed to practice any religion outside of the 5 that the state has acknowledged. You know the entire reason that the massacre at tianiman square happened. Heck cuba is closer to communism than china and they are still miles off.
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China is Communist. Lol It's a Communist government that uses a government controlled free market system. Thats just a fact. It is still indeed Communist. You obviously don't know much about Communism if you think Marx and Engiels is the only form of it. Why is it that America has to use Communist programs to keep it's people from starving to death? Have you ever wondered? I think before you answer you should find out what Communism actually is so you will know what it is you're talking about. It just works out better that way. It doesnt seem like you know the difference between socialism and Communism or Capitalism and the free Market. Which is sad because you're probably someone who would benifit most from Communism, but have been indoctornated to not like it even thougg you dont know what it is.
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The only ones that actually say the Chinese government is communist, is the Chinese government itself. And again even by your own statement that the fundamentals of communism is about equality, China still isnt communist. If equality is the fundamental part of communism, and China is in no way equal, than China can not be actually communist. People who are either business owners, in the government or have close relations with those in the government are given more power, and more things than any other people in the country. This is not equality. Some argue equality is about where you start and others argue equality is about where you end up. With China you are not equal by either view of the definition. You need to take a good hard look into the policies of the Chinese government, because you obviouselt have never thought about them. If you value things like freedom fo speech and freedom of religion, then China is not the place for you. You also mentioned that countries like the united states require communist systems to feed their hungry, and you then go on to say to learn the difference between socialist and communist. The systems that the united states tends to use are actually socialist systems, not communist ones. Land is not even distributed to everyone, it is temporarily loaned to some people who the government feels need it. Te government does not force everyone to be payed the same amount, it designates a portion of the momey it collects from its citizens and gives it to others. A communist system would make everyone equal, that is most definitely not what welfare systems do. And there are many that aregue even against welfare systems. True communism can only come about if a group of people came together and chose for it to come about. A government simply cannot force it, because the government will inevitably become corrupted by the absolute power it holds. And the sad fact is that people are never going to all come together like that, perhaps small communities will, but that is extremely limited. Also again, no capitalism, no massive Chinese profit. Also anyone who uses the amount of momey a country makes as a way to show that communism can work, has missed the point of communism entirely. True communism wouldnt even use money, everyone would just make things for everyone else, no payment required. If you are using money to illustrate that communism works than you dont understand communism at all.
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Haha China is Communist. Thats 100% fact. It's indisputable and if you knew what Communism was about or what it is you'd know that. Only in your mind does a Country declaring itself as Communist means its not. That is the most ignorant argument i think i've ever heard. Coming from someone who thinks if you dont follow the Communist manifesto you cant be Communist that shouldn't surprise me. A capitalist society that has to Use government programs to keeps it's people from starving! Now thats funny. American capitalism has failed. The government has to pour money into its economy just to keep it from collapsing. What would you call that? A country that the only reason its still afloat is because it has the #1 reserve currency in the world. A country where little kids ask santa for blankets and food. This is Americas vision of capitalism. This is what America is and always will be. A SYSTEM A COUNTRY that exploits the poor and the unfortunate for profit. Where 5% of the population owns 90% of the wealth. Where theres a whole community of people that are only worth 5$. A country based on inequality and imperialism in a perpetual state of war. Where presidents kill women and children for 8 years straight. This is Capitalism.
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Editado por Nickel7Dime: 12/23/2017 11:36:35 AMhttps://m.independent.ie/world-news/and-finally/is-china-actually-a-communist-country-36243236.html http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2010/07/how_communist_is_china.html https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/25743/is-china-really-communist https://www.huffingtonpost.com/nicole-webb/two-years-living-in-commu_b_12325336.html https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/how-china-went-from-communist-to-capitalist-2015-10 https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/death-communism-china http://www.returnofkings.com/119681/why-communism-doesnt-work
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I can link 10 articles that say the earth is flat, or 10 articles that say it's round. You can find anything to support your side of the argument on the internet. It doesnt change the FACT that the sole Ruling party in China is the COMMUNIST PARTY AND THERE manifesto is Communist ideals. The economy is controlled by the government. I'm sure America would love China to be capitalist so American capitalism didnt seem like such a failure, but its Communist. You should fi d out what Communism is. China isnt the only Communist country in the world nor the only succesful one. The Russian government still employ over 80% of its population. They still adhere to some Communist ideals. America uses Communist programs to feed its starving and poor population, but if you need an article to tell you that isnt real then you do that.
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You probably could find thise articles if you looked for them specifically, however i did not. I simply typed in, "is China actually communist?" And these are some of the top articles that came up (that i am sure you havent read). In fact funny enough at least teo of the articles state that the Chinese government itself doesnt even say that China is a communist country. Kind of defeats your entire argument when that government itself doesnt day what you are saying. The article actually quotes Chincese government documents by the way. Though this all begs the obvious question. Since China is obviously not traditional communism, and you seem to suggest what you want isnt traditional communism. Please let everyone know what does your ideal communism look like. Because if your ideal version of communism is what China has, than it no longer becomes a question of if its possible, but rather it becomes a statement of i dont want it ever to be possible. The system that China has is absolutely terrible, and an insult to the very idea of traditional communism. I for one do not want to live in a country where i cannot speak out if i think my government is making a mistake. I dont want to live in a country where the government tells me which religions i can and cant believe in, what sexual orientation i can and cant be, and how many children i can and cannot have. I dont want to live in a nation where the government can kick me out of my home and demolish it, even if i built that home with my own bare hands. I dont want to live in a country where the government ignores it mentally disabled people and then claims it doesnt have any problems with mentally disabled people (i have an aunt thar has first hand experience with this if you want more details). Which by the way even if i feel the government is wrong to ignore this group of people i cant say anything for fear of death. I dont want to live in a country where the standard practice to deal with peaceful protests is to roll out tanks and open fire on people. Or where making a joke about the government or even a joke the government just doesnt like, is met with a bullet to the head and my family being handed a bullet casing and a bill for the bullet. I dont want to live in a country where the government is allowed to use "controlled nuclear blasts" to clear out pathways for water, and i cant say anything about it. I dont want to live in a country where what i pay for loans, whether or not i have a car, or even a home, is dependant upon if i know someone in the government. If China is your idea of good communism, then i want absolutely no part of it.
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Do you know what a Planned economy is and what type of society has one and which one that doesn't? Care to take a guess? Thats the only two words you really need to crap on all your articles that you searched for. The 5 year plan that a certian country just released. Somethi g that only happens in Communist countries. A planned economy is a staple of communism and guess who has a planned economy? You have no clue what Communism is. OBVIOUS by the articles you linked. Articles which you didnt read. A word that you dont understand. Whose meaning escapes you. What party Rules China? What system is based on equality and who principles include a planned economy? Something no capitalistic country has ever done? Go on say it. What ki d of society is China?
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China is a type of society i absolutely never want to be apart of. As i clearly demonstrated in my last reply. And in no way does China stand for equality, they have the exact same problems where a tiny percentage of the population, have everything, including the wealth. Also if China is so amazing and your idea of a perfect government then go move there. And by move to China i mean mainland China, not Hong Kong (which wants away from China by the way). I know for a fact that you arent in mainland China right now as a citizen because if you were we would not be having this conversation. So if it is so amazing what are you still doing in the country you are in? Go to mainland China and become a Chinese citizen, then no one on these forums will ever hear from you again, because such communications are not allowed. You have done nothing to refute any of the things i have stated about how terrible their system is. About how their citizenry has such massively reduced rights, to the point where they cant even have peaceful protests for fear of death. Are you true so ignorant of the policies of a nation that you claim to be your champion of communism? Also i did read every article i posted, and communism goes beyond simply the economy, especially since the economy itself bleeds into everything else. If you truly believe that communism is only limited to the economy of a country then you have not learnt the first thing about communism. You have also yet to describe your idea of an ideal communist nation, or even say if China is your ideal communist nation. Which once again if it, then no thank you. I dont care for having my life and lively hood be at the whim of which ever tyrannical leader is in power at the time. I dont want to be in a country where the government can choose to kill off a group of people, and i cant say anything about it or be killed along with them.
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What country was it that dropped a nuclear weapon on women and children? Was it China? What country occupies 70% of the world militarily? Is it a Communist country? What country is it that is in a perpetual state of war? Is it China? What type of society drops bombs on women and children daily in Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen? Is it a Communist society? What country has overthrown more governments and killed more civilians than any other nation currently in the world? Is it China? What society has children begging Santa for food and blankets? Is it a Communist society? What type of society clothes, feeds, houses and educates its citizens? Its a Communist society!!
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Editado por Nickel7Dime: 12/23/2017 7:55:53 PMFirst off if you think there are not people who are hungry and homeless in China then you are sadly mistaken, and i would hazard a guess that you have therefore never been to China. Second, the United States using two nuclear bomb all the way back in world war 2 doesnt really seem to relevant. Especially seeing as had China developed the nuclear bomb i have no doubt that they would have alsp dropped it on Japan, and would have likely been far more brutal after Japan had surrendered (especially considering how japan treated China). You also are talking with the misconception that China wouldnt do the exact same kind of things if they could. The same things you are saying the U.S. does have been done by a communist nation it was known as the USSR. A communist nation also known for forcing millions of its population to starve to death (especially in the Ukraine). You want to know the reason China doesnt typically get involved in world affairs? Because it costs them money when they do. The only times China has ever bothered to either help or harm people of other nations are when they directly profit from it. It Is why china has sold weapons to countries that have been black listed, it is why china sold machetes to Uganda, and never once questioned why the country had ordered far more machetes and guns then they could possibly need for regular use. The Chinese government is based just as much around greed. The only reason China doesnt occupy at the very least every surrounding nation with its military is simply because all other nations will not allow them to, especially the united states. Who massacres it own women and children? Who kills off and pushes down any and all potential political rivals? Who kicks thousands out of their homes to then just put them in a spot where in a matter of a few years their towns will fall into the river? Who ignores almost its entire mentally ill population? I am not in any way trying to argue that the united states is the best or even a very good country. But at the very least it treats its own citizenry as people and gives them rights. It at the very least is a far better country to live in. I will be the first to say the U.S. definitely needs to butt out of world issues for everyones sake. But China is most definitely no better, their ambitions have just been kept mostly in check by everyone else and their greed, for now. A nation that has no problem with killing its own women and children would not have a second thought about killing women and children on foreign soil. Also one very important question, what race/nationality are you? Essentially are you white or not?
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China is a Communist goverbment with government controled free market economy. This is a fact. No matter what western propaganda tells you. This is how there government and economy works. They are built on the idea of a classless society where everything is goverbment controlled for the betterment of their peoples. That is Communist and that is what China is. You can stomp your feet and pout about it all you want. China may not follow Marxism, but they do follow the Idea of Communism a d so do alot of other countries.
