6 months ago i told everyone destiny 2 is really destiny 1.5. The beta in two weeks will confirm this and people are going to be disappointed (except for the top 1% who play everyday and don't play anything else). Everyone else will be disappointed and preorders will be cancelled.

It's releasing on the two current-gen consoles as well as PC for the first time. It will be a financial success definitely. Subjectively speaking is an entirely different matter.

Will be hard to match the first run through vog . That was lightening in a bottle , not sure d2 will have those moments

This is my guess: Sales numbers will be slightly less than Vanilla Launch or around on par with those numbers. I don't think D2 will blow Vanilla sales numbers out of the water. I also think that even if D2 sales numbers break even, it will not represent the kind of grand success Bungie would want you to believe it is. Consider this: Vanilla's sales numbers consisted ENTIRELY of sales on two brands of consoles: PS and Xbox. D2 will launch on three platforms: PC, XBONE, and PS4. If they sell the same number of copies of D2 as they did Vanilla, it simply means that they lost sales to console players who effectively quit the game or didn't re-up, and they broke even by selling the game to PC users instead. To say this differently, they will have expanded the availability of the game to other players, but were unable to expand their total customer base. And of course, this begins to look far worse if sales numbers of D2 don't even break even with those at launch of D1. Will it be a success? I think it'll be a success with certain members of the communities: Players who are hardcore, super sweaty, ultra competitive PVP players will probably love the game. Casuals who just log on a couple of times a week to run a strike will probably love the game. But the results will likely be a big mixed bag of nuts for those who lie in between those two groups - and I would assert that those players make up a majority of the community. For those players and players like myself, D2 is just the same old shit, just a different package. They didn't separate PVE from PVP, they went out of their way to develop the game exclusively for PVP, and will only try to "make it work" in PVE, meaning PVE is going to be playing second fiddle, and PVE players will just have to do what they can to get by. This effectively means that the loot-n-shoot aspect of this game is effectively dead because anything that makes you feel powerful in PVE will wreck balance in PVP. And that is part of what attracted me to this game in the first place. Overall, I'm going to say that its going to be a whole lot of MEH. It'll be like Dragon Age 2. As a stand alone game, it was a decent game. But was it better than the original (Dragon Age Origins) - not even CLOSE.

Sorry, my time machine is broken at the moment. Will get back to you when it's operational.

http://www.vgchartz.com/preorders It's looking like a success already.

What standpoint are you coming from? A consumer or a marketer? Destiny 1 from a consumer standpoint was poor in all aspects. Destiny 1 from a marketer's standpoint was extremely successful for such a poorly developed game.

When D1 launched I was in a clan with around 20 others. We all played with each other for years before and were very excited for Destiny. By the time HOW dropped there were 4 of us left, when TTK dropped I was all that remained. I have spoke to most of them asking if they are getting D2 and the answer is no by every one of them. No matter how much I tried selling the improvements that bungie made to D1 they are not going to be fooled again. I'm sure there are many people out there that feel the same.