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Editado por AnonPig: 5/19/2015 11:17:29 AM
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Everything to know about Jaren Ward, Shin Malphur, and Dredgen Yor

Hello and welcome for the eighth -blam!-ing time guardians. Can I get a break soon? This is getting excessive. As always, I would like to welcome you all personally to the Collective of Knowledge! If you haven't been following these posts then this is the easiest way to find them. If you're really so opposed to making my day a little bit better you can just search CoK. This post will be about a favorite legend of many, Jaren Ward, Dredgen Yor, and Shin Malphur [b]The Legend of Jaren Ward, Dredgen Yor, and Shin Malphur[/b] Jaren Ward is the wielder of The Last Word. This gun is wrapped up in a story all of its own. Starting from the Ghost Fragmen: The Last Word This comes from the time known as the The City Age, really early on in this time to be accurate, in a far off settlement known as Palamon. They had no real set of government, only Magistrate Loken. A young boy, who lost his parents to dregs, lived there, young but watching. He saw the Magistrate and understood how he lost too much and how that was the cause for his tightening grip on the city. And his downfall. We are taken to Ghost fragement: The Last Word 2 Jaren Ward, the owner of the Last word and the third father to the boy previously mentioned, came to Palamon from the south. The boy noticed the iron on Jaren's hip, how it looked both pristine and lived in. He knew the man was dangerous, but also saw that there was a light about him, a pureness to his weight that seemed to hint that his ire was something earned. The boy ran up to Jaren, against his current fathers wishes, and stared at the iron. He barely registered when Jaren started to kneel down offering the boy his sidearm. He took it in his hands.[quote]And I took the weapon in my hand. Carefully. Gently. Not to use. But to observe. To imagine. To feel its weight and know its truth. That was the first time I held "Last Word," but, unfortunately, not the last.[/quote]The boy will one day wield that gun. I believe his name was Shin. Now to go in a chronological order we must go to Ghost Fragment: The Dark Age 2 In this card we see what happens when the Magistrate confronts Jaren Ward. This Lekon was a scared man who didn't want to give up his power. Prodding at Jarens necessary ruthlessness was not the way to go however because it led to his death. The townsfolk watched and the nameless child, [i]Shin[/i], wished that his father would stop it. The townsfolk didn't want it to though, they understood what was happening. Shin left them to follow Jaren, and Jaren adopted the young boy. [b]edit for The Last Word 3, my apologies[/b] The nameless young man, who I still strongly believe to be Shin malphur, followed Jaren and other companions that he referred to as kids. I don't think that this implied they were truly children, only that they were in his custody. Jarens ghost was different from most others, it wouldn't talk to anyone, it would stare at Shin though. He thought it was only due to the closeness of him and Jaren, but there was clearly more. Jaren was out in the woods away from everyones camp. There was a gunshot, sharp and clear to belong to The Last Word. Then there was another. [quote]One shot, dark and infernal. Followed by silence.[/quote]This one did not belong to The Last Word. I feel it safe to assume it belonged to Thorn, and was fired by Dredgen Yor. Shin ran out after the sounds and was met by a light, Jarens ghost, it spoke. This story involves Dredgen Yor, the owner of Thorn. Starting with Ghost Fragment Thorn. Let me first say that this card is said in the future tense, therefore someone who knew him personally, or an omnipotent beings thoughts. The man who became Dredgen Yor was once a noble man. People looked up to him, he was a beacon – hope given form. He made them feel that anyone could stand against the dark as he did. He had a dark secret though, he had thoughts that were dark. [quote]Slowly the shadows' whisper became a voice, a dark call, offering glories enough to make even the brightest Light wander. He knew he was fading, yet he still yearned. On his last day he sat and watched the sun fall. His final thoughts, pure of mind, if not body, held to a fleeting hope - though they would suffer for the man he would become, the people would remember him as he had been. And so the noble man hid himself beneath a darkness no flesh should touch, and gave up his mortal self to claim a new birthright. Whether this was choice, or destiny, is a truth known only to fate. In that cool evening air, as dusk was devoured by night, the noble man ceased to exist. In his place another stood. Same meat. Same bone. But so very different. The first and only of his family. The sole forbearer and last descendent of the name Yor. In his first moments as a new being, he looked down at his Rose and realized for the first time that it held no petals: only the jagged purpose of angry thorns.[/quote] From Ghost Fragment: Thorn 2[quote]ASSOCIATIONS: Breaklands; Durga; Last Word; Malphur, Shin; North Channel; Palamon; Thorn; Velor; Ward, Jaren; WoS; Yor, Dredgen; [u.1:0.1] Can I see what you got there? [silence] [u.1:0.2] Yer cannon...can I see it? [beat] [u.2:0.1] I know you? [beat] [u.1:0.3] Not that I can say. [u.2:0.2] And you wanna hold my piece? [beat] [u.1:0.4] Just that I never...seen one like it. [beat] [u.2:0.3] No, you haven't. [u.1:0.5] Looks dangerous. [u.2:0.4] Seems, maybe, that's the point. [u.1:0.6] Suppose so. [u.1:0.7] Can I see it? [u.2:0.5] Not likely. [silence] [u.1:0.8] Where'd...where'd you find it? [silence] [u.1:0.9] You hearin' me? [silence] [u.3:0.1] He asked you question. [silence] [u.2:0.6] Didn't find it. Made it. [u.1:1.0] Heh. Helluva touch you got then. You a 'smith? [u.2:0.7] I look like a 'smith? [u.1:1.1] Looks can be deceiving. [u.2:0.8] Got that right. [u.1:1.2] There a problem? [u.2:0.9] Doesn't need to be. [u.1:1.3] Glad we got that cleared up...Now, about that piece. [silence] [u.2:1.0] Been to Luna? [u.1:1.4] Excuse me? [u.2:1.1] The Moon. You been? [u.1:1.5] Nobody's been. [u.2:1.2] That a truth? [u.1:1.6] That's a fact. ////INTENTIONAL BREAK FOR IMPORTANCE-AnonPig [u.2:4.0] Look... [audible sobbing] [u.2:4.1] Look at it. [u.2:4.2] Open your eyes. [audible sobbing] [u.2:4.3] Not many get such a clean view. [u.2:4.4] The bone...You see it. Jagged, like thorns. [u.2:4.5] I used to think of it as a rose... [u.2:4.6] Focusing on its bloom. [u.2:4.7] But the bloom is just a byproduct of its anger. [silence] [u.2:4.8] You have nightmares? [audible sobbing] [u.2:4.9] Ever seen a nightmare? Ever opened your eyes and realized the horror wasn't a dream? The terror wasn't gone? [u.2:5.0] I've seen nightmares. [u.2:5.1] They live in the shadows. [u.2:5.2] They've been watching. [u.2:5.3] I thought...It's foolish, I know...but I thought I saw a way. [u.2:5.4] That maybe we could win. Maybe we could survive. [u.2:5.5] But once you step into those shadows, it's so very hard to walk in the Light.[/quote] As you read above, this is the end of a conversation between Dredgen and an small group of unknown bandits? In the end it doesn't really matter because this was their end. The importance of this is the distinction between how he saw his gun and how he sees it, as well as how the darkness(physical form) is finding its way into our guardians. It tells them things that make them doubt the possibility of winning. Could the darkness(physical form) be scared? [b]Could it actually be worried that we will win this time and needs to resort to a form of espionage to actaully harm us?[/b] [i]Thanks to Jeuscifer for pointing out I missed a grimoire. It essentially ruined my final conclusion. I take full responsibility to everyone who misread this post and came to wrong conclusions, I will bumo everyone who commented the others I'm sorry.[/i] With the new information I feel it's safe to assume Dredgen Yor is NOT Jaren Ward. I'm not willing to entirely wipe that theory off though. It still would make sense because no body has been seen, only thought about. While I say that, it is still most likely that Dredgen is separate and killed Jaren. Shin, loving Jaren like a father will no doubt break the rules of “How to Become a Guardian” because he never died! There is no doubt in my mind that Shin would take up The Last Word and swear a vengence on the killer of Jaren Ward. But really, what if we find that there is no body? How unlikely is it that Jaren found a new and more impressive gun? And simply cast aside The Last Word for Shin to find? Like I said, it's most likely that Dredgen killed Jaren and so on, but you can not denounce this as a possibility. Thanks for reading, this is your friendly neighborhood AnonPig, and I'd just like to take this moment to say margaritas are not gay! [b]screw you dad![/b] . [b]as this is still being read and liked and bumped I thought I'd shamelessly plug my Twitter account here, @AnonPig for all updates and links to projects I will be working on from this point. I will no longer be posting on forums due to recent events that lead to a ban, thankyou for your time.[/b] [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/115658936]AnonPig's Theories Archived[/url]

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  • Editado por Mattaki: 6/2/2015 10:25:40 PM
    I read a grimoire the other day made me think your theory was right let me find it Edit: It was the Thorn 3 grimoire card. [quote]TYPE: Transcript. DESCRIPTION: Conversation. PARTIES: Two [2]. One [1] Ghost-type, designate [REDACTED] [u.1], One [1] Guardian-type, Class [REDACTED] [u.2] ASSOCIATIONS: [REDACTED]; Breaklands; Durga; Last Word; Malphur, Shin; North Channel; Palamon; Thorn; Velor; Ward, Jaren; WoS; Yor, Dredgen; //AUDIO UNAVAILABLE// //TRANSCRIPT FOLLOWS.../[/quote] This here shows who is talking a ghost and a guardian. It goes on to associations and gives locations then a weapon and then a person. Shin Malphur is associated with Last Word. Jaren Ward and Yor are associated with thorn. [quote][u.1:0.1] You were not always this man. [u.2:0.1] True. [u.1:0.2] Then the math says you do not need to remain this man. You can be other. [u.2:0.2] I am other. [u.1:0.3] You can be better. [u.2:0.3] This is better. [u.1:0.4] That matter, at best, is subjective. [u.2:0.4] Then what? Lesser. [u.1:0.5] Some would say. [u.2:0.5] But what would you say? [silence] [u.2:0.6] All we’ve seen and now, here with me, you have no words. [u.1:0.6] I have words. [u.2:0.7] But...? [u.1:0.7] But you will not like them. [u.2:0.8] There is much I do not like. [u.1:0.8] More now than ever it would seem. [u.2:0.9] Heh. [u.1:0.9] I find no laughing matter in your path. [u.2:1.0] Only in the journey. [u.1:1.0] What brought you here was nobility. [u.2:1.1] And my prize. [u.1:1.1] That is no prize. [u.2:1.2] A curse then? [u.1:1.2] I would say. [u.2:1.3] And I would disagree. [u.1:1.3] You are no longer yourself. [u.2:1.4] I am myself. It’s who I was that’s gone. [u.1:1.4] Who you were held all the value. [u.2:1.5] To you. [u.1:1.5] To the Light. [u.2:1.6] The Light... [u.1:1.6] It is all. [u.2:1.7] It is nothing but a crutch. [u.1:1.7] One that has held you up. [u.2:1.8] Only just. And nothing more. [u.1:1.8] Nothing more? You were a hero. [u.2:1.9] And yet people still die. Corruption still exists. Light still fades. And Darkness still spreads. [u.1:1.9] As it will ever be, that doesn’t mean you give in to... [u.2:2.0] To what? Hope. [u.1:2.0] This is not hope. [u.2:2.1] This is peace. [u.1:2.1] You have blood on your hands. [u.2:2.2] How’s that any different than prior? [u.1:2.2] Innocent blood. [u.2:2.3] Matter of perspective. [u.1:2.3] That’s the shadow talking. [u.2:2.4] And am I not. [u.1:2.4] The shadow? [u.2:2.5] Ya know... These past cycles, you’ve made an honorable effort. Tried your best to correct my course. But I don’t know it needs correcting. [u.1:2.5] And if it does? [u.2:2.6] Could be too late. [u.1:2.6] 'Could be' is a winding path. [u.2:2.7] Long way from where I was to where I’m going. [u.1:2.7] That is my hope. That there is still time. [u.2:2.8] For? [u.1:2.8] Corrective measures. The righting of our path. The cleansing of your shadow and a return to the Light. [silence] [u.2:2.9] Why’d you pick me? [u.1:2.9] It doesn’t work that way. [u.2:3.0] Was I special? [u.1:3.0] You were. [u.2:3.1] But only as special as any other. [u.1:3.1] You are all special. [u.2:3.2] Seems to contradict the word don’t it. [u.1:3.2] Not in my estimation. [u.2:3.3] If we’re all special, are any of us special? [u.1:3.3] Is that what you want? To be special? [u.2:3.4] Heh. [u.1:3.4] You dismiss, but it’s a very serious questions. Is that all you’re after? Is all of the death worth that badge? [u.2:3.5] Am I not already more than the rest? [u.1:3.5] Looking at you here, now. The smoke, ash and bone at your feet mark you as so much less. [u.2:3.6] Maybe. And yet here you are. [u.1:3.6] Meaning? [u.2:3.7] You have been at my side every step of the way. [u.1:3.7] Where else would I be? [u.2:3.8] Yet you disagree so thoroughly with my change in perspective. [u.1:3.8] If only the change was simply one of perspective. You’re “evolution” was no choice. This is not you having come to an understanding after careful considered thought. This is corruption. [u.2:3.9] The shadows? [u.1:3.9] The Darkness. [u.2:4.0] Maybe so. [u.1:4.0] There is no maybe here. [u.2:4.1] And you think you can save me? [u.1:4.1] I rekindled your Light, it falls first to me to aid in its survival. [silence] [u.2:4.2] I tire of it. [u.1:4.2] You must try... [u.2:4.3] I tire of you. [u.1:4.3] [REDACTED]... [u.2:4.4] That is no longer my name. [u.1:4.4] I will not speak the other. [u.2:4.5] It doesn’t matter. This is where we part ways. [u.1:4.5] I will not leave you. [u.2:4.6] I am leaving you. [u.1:4.6] Without me, your journey ahead will be more than any one Guardian can handle. [u.2:4.7] That’s the point. It’s been sometime since you saw me as worthy of walking among those I once called brother and sister. Yet... anymore, I feel as though I am worthy of so much more. [u.1:4.7] Without me... You will die. [u.2:4.8] Someday. Won’t be the first time. [silence] [u.2:4.9] Consider this my last good deed. I am releasing you of the burden of my deeds, both done and yet to come. [u.1:4.8] I will not abandon you. [u.2:5.0] You will. Or I will carve the Light from your shell and leave the carcass of my first and last friend in the dirt of this dull, red world for no one to find. [u.1:4.9] Then I’ve failed you, completely. [u.2:5.1] Not me. Maybe the man I was. [u.1:5.0] He is truly dead. [u.2:5.2] I believe so. [u.1:5.1] Belief is not fact. [u.2:5.3] Semantics I no longer have the patience for. [silence] [u.2:5.4] When you speak of me, use my proper name. Tell them of the man that stands before you, not the ghost of the hero I once was. [u.1:5.2] You will always be [REDACTED] to me. [u.2:5.5] If you cannot let that man go, you will forever taint his legacy. All the good I have ever done will be washed away in the fire of who I have become. [u.1:5.3] If you care, there is still some promise within you. [u.2:5.6] If I am being honest, I care only to give hope to the frightened, huddled masses so that when I come upon them they will have more to lose. Their pain will be greater. Their screams more pure. [u.1:5.4] You... [u.2:5.7] Nothing dies like hope. I cherish it. [u.1:5.5] You’re a monster. [u.2:5.8] Finally, you see the truth. [u.1:5.6] [REDACTED] is truly dead. [u.2:5.9] So I’ve said. Long live Dredgen Yor. [u.1:5.7] This is farewell, but you can only run from your sins so far. In the end, you will die alone. [u.2:6.0] Maybe so. But I gotta tell ya... I tend to like my odds. [u.1:5.8] Your tainted “Rose” will not always save you. [u.2:6.1] Old friend... It already has.[/quote] Here is the transcript. In it you can clearly see Dredgen Yor talking to his ghost telling him to leave him. The ghost leaves. I say that this is what happened on the night Shin heard the shots. Dredgen or Jaren fired both guns before leaving the Last Word and only using his Thorn. The ghost Shin encounters is the ghost of Jaren/Dredgen who had left the living guardian.

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