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Edytowany przez użytkownika Elitespear:
2/6/2015 3:21:28 AM
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2.5% nerf to auto rifle damage
Was it necessary? The low impact autos suck balls. Even Suros isn't the end all. Just doesn't seem right.
I think the 2.5% base damage nerf will now put them in the rung occupied by pulse rifles as they will now be vastly superior weapons.
Edit: Just to remind people what should be the ultimate weapon in the game (nechrocasm) is now even worse with this patch.
I don't understand the mindset of people who look at something and say "oh that's quite good and lots of people love using it, lets make it bad".
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I don't think it's a big deal to the high impact ar, but it definitely makes the lower ones near obsolete. Bungie somehow thought that atheons epilogue with the high rof and low impact was a god send, where in reality I have not met anyone who likes it or any ar like it. All they had do to was reduce the range and that's it.
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4 OdpowiedziIt makes sense for most auto rifles, but what about the low impact-high Fire rate ones? These weapons are horrible damage machines anyway. They just keep getting worse and worse and worse.
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It says that the 2.5% was AVERAGED. High rof took less reduction. Ok, lets do the work here guys, for you who don't understand. Example:(these are hypothetical numbers falling within 0 to 2.5%, i'm just using examples) High Rof= ~2,0% reduction in dmg Low Rof= ~2.5% reduction in dmg Now see, high rof does indeed take less of a nerfing. i don't own suros but i am pretty god damn sure it's like a better version of my shadow price. Both of those good low rof guns are getting nerfed more. Fn way tooooo go Bungie.
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2 OdpowiedziThe 2.5% damage reduction is averaged across high/low impact autos, with low impact taking a smaller hit. It could mean low impact get a .5% hit, and high impact takes a 4.5% hit. It's possible that the comming nerfs will make low impact autos a viable option. Only time will tell. In any case, it seems premature to judge how the comming nerfs will affect the game. I'm reserving judgement til then.
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Edytowany przez użytkownika harrymfa: 2/6/2015 3:01:59 PMThe changes are tone deaf. Yes, people use ARs because they are effective, making them more ineffective is not the way to make people use other guns. Pulse rifles are a joke because they have low damage, poor range and jerky recoil. This is the first FPS I played where burst weapons have this much recoil. Shotguns in PvE, it's not going to happen. Too many enemies can one-hit melee you at higher levels. Rather than take the risk, you keep your distance. Shotguns can't also blow up a swarm of enemies coming at you, like Fatebringer or Ice Breaker can. In Resident Evil you can knock out two or three enemies with one well-timed shotgun shot. Against bosses, forget it. I want to see an idiot trying to use a shotgun against Atheon before he gets booted. Anyway, gun calibration was very low in the priorities of the community. It was very tone deaf to work on that, while there are tons of things to fix that are more important. My guess is that someone at Bungie is trying to use Bad Juju in the Crucible and gets his ass handed constantly.
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I agree with the nerf. weapon balance is important no?
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1 OdpowiedźEdytowany przez użytkownika MindfulPizza: 2/6/2015 4:21:51 PMThey are to strung out on the data and have forgoten the human element, Now it going be jump, slid shot gun, since there no more counters , be like Gear of war. They look to much at the data and not the human element. IF they felt the guns to powerful then just put that single gun -2.% on the gun for pvp. but will not matter , with the human element, but they are trying to force feed the stuff, so the should just be 4 guns in the entire pvp game then. No stats . At rate there going going to be just a 4 gun game anyways, They got no clue what there doing anymore , 15 yrs worth of fsp research can help you on the data , and the human elements , IF plan on having different guns then have differents guns not everyone them the same , if one got impact got it if not so be it , if one got range so be it , IF data driven then research all the mmo that have fail in last ten years see you guys are on the same path . Everyone them is nerf, nerf nerf, to the point there lost on there data, not matching no more. And asking why no new players , playing there games because the veterans like , wait going get nerfvision, and look at there data to the higher end , instead the mass market.
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1 OdpowiedźSuros sucks. For the people ftw
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TBH the parts I was excited about was that pulse rifles would be usable and that shotguns are now PvE relevant. I remember getting my first pulse rifle and thinking "Wow, this is like the BR in Halo. I loved that thing!" only to be disappointed by the lack of performance. Though I will say that Fair and Square was pretty decent as far as legendaries go.
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Lol all I can say is that im probably moving toward a pulse rifle now..
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4 OdpowiedziOnce again, Bungie, epic fail for not separating PVP from PVE. Now, more weapons are going to be ruined to find that precious "balance" in PVP. You really need to find a way to nerf PVP load outs only, and leave PVE alone. Maybe you can get it right with Destiny 2, and make PVP a completely separate system, with it's own character leveling, weapons, armor, etc... Epic fail, Bungie. Epic fail. Way to continue to ruin the game for PVE players. What a joke.
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Edytowany przez użytkownika GloomyGuy-: 2/6/2015 3:55:49 PMYou do realize it likely didn't effect the ttk for suros one bit. It would take a 10% dmg nerf to make suros take 1 extra headshot for a kill in crucible. Autos are slowly becoming worthless in pve content tho. Bungie doesn't get the auto rifles aren't popular because they are over powered. They are popular because they are easier to use and auto fire is more convenient than pulling r2 on every shot.
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2 OdpowiedziEdytowany przez użytkownika Onxide: 2/6/2015 2:30:26 PMThis is what happens when too many unskilled complain about the Suros...
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4 OdpowiedziNechrochasm is read by the game as a pulse rifle, so it may be buffed by this. Either way it's really only screwing the low rate of fire, decent impact rifles.
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3 OdpowiedziI thought low impact rifles were not effected. Isn't necrochasm one?
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1 OdpowiedźI don't mind the nerfs. Well I don't mind all the nerfs apart from one. The auto rifle nerf. That was completely unnecessary. I haven't religiously used an auto rifle since the first nerf when they made almost every auto rifle useless apart from the suros. I use scout rifles and hand cannons all the time now. Most auto rifles already have almost 0 impact with a ridiculous fire rate combined with crap stability. There are stability perks but they're in the same coloumn as an increased ammo perk, personally I pick the field scout option as magazine size is abysmal on the majority of auto rifles. Where was the logic in nerf in the damage output? Because alot of people use them? Of course the majority use auto rifles, they are the easiest weapons to use!! Not alot of people like the continuously press the trigger for a scout, hand cannon and pulse rifles. If anything they should have given the shitty autos with crap impact and stability a buff! For example necrocasm is the vex of the dark below, yet it isn't worth grinding for! Atheon epilogue is crap for everything except oracles!! I dint think hand cannons needed a nerf but I don't mind it at all. They were far too overpowered at range if you knew how to use them. Pulse rifle buff is welcomed! Sorry for the long post. I would show you a potato if I could..
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LOL so your saying the Nechrocasm is going to suck even more LMAO
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2 OdpowiedziHigh RoF rifles were almost unchanged
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I agree with the pulse rifle buff but really with everything else, of course people are going to flock to an auto rifle due to the fact they have larger clips do adequate damage for the most part and don't take a whole lot of precision unlike every other primary in the game the low rof auto rifles are already complete shit way to go bungie -blam!-ing up the game even more
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2 OdpowiedziRIP Abyss Defiant ;~;
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Glad they are needing them they have too good range
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2 OdpowiedziSo if the Vanquisher does 26 a headshot (one of the harder hitting autos) a 2.5 percent nerf would make it 25.35, still an 8 bullet kill like before, same for body shots it should still be 10 I think. It's the range nerf that will affect people not the damage :( I think they should have just buffed other guns to be as good personally but what can ya do
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2 OdpowiedziEdytowany przez użytkownika TheMighty3X: 2/6/2015 1:43:16 PMBattlefield vets, please join in. This is the case of the M16A4 all over again. It was the jack of all trades gun in Battlefield 3. I lost count how many times it was nerfed because people claimed it was OP (which is PVP for "I get killed by it a lot"), and every time it did, it still dominated because those who liked to use it adapted to whatever changes it was given and still excelled with it. In other words, you can nerf the weapon, but you can't nerf the handler. Can you even fathom how insignificant a 2.5% damage reduction is? That's like a bullet or two extra, is it not? I'm not a number junkie, but I'm pretty certain this is only going to make the time to kill with ARs slightly longer, or on par with the TTK for other weapon classes at their optimal ranges. In the hands of a skilled player this isn't going to make a difference. AR users will still find a way to use them to their fullest ability. Same with HC users. I wish this balancing was actually based on the weapon stats and not the weapon usage stats, because then they'd see that just buffing or nerfing damage is not the definitive answer. The timing between Pulse Rifle bursts is still going to be too slow for the damage increase to make a difference. Compared to ARs with their faster fire rate and HCs & Scouts with their higher impact, Pulse Rifles will still fall to the wayside, and months from now they'll say ARs are still too strong. It's not how hard the bullets hit, it's how many you can get to hit, and Pulses will continue to falter in that department because Bungie's going about this whole thing wrong.
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1 OdpowiedźI think the shortening of the range and damage drop-off at range will be much more noticeable than just a 2.5 percent decrease in damage. Why is everyone focused on the 2.5 thing?
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1 OdpowiedźEdytowany przez użytkownika dacefett: 2/6/2015 8:38:48 AMIt's not about balance at all its bungie being a Dick, If it was about balance they would Nerf ghorn or buff other exotic launchers, bungle just a little kid that likes changing the rules halfway through a game, why did you ruin my gun? You were getting to many kills and having to much fun here.
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3 OdpowiedziNo they said wouldn't be as much to the ones with low impact and high rof. Throwing around wrong info
