This sort of time wasted feeling isnt just specific to this recent upgrade. Consider, if you will the Iron Banner for a moment. The last time it rolled around, I spent the entire week religiously plugging away at it to earn the rep to buy the new gear. For one, it looked great! As well, I play as a Warlock that maxes out Discipline and since my raid gear was maxed out in strength I figured, why not? Later towards the reset after I collected my spoils from Iron Banner at the end of a very long week I went straight into leveling my new armor pieces. I really enjoyed my new gauntlets and boots, they were exactly what my build needed. Enter the raid that following weekend and I get another set of the raid gauntlets, except this time they have discipline. "Oh well", I think, "I'll just toss these out too, more shards", when something caught my eye. Those gauntlets had the same light level, same armor, but just the tiniest bit more discipline AND Intellect than my hard earned Iron Banner gauntlets....I was speechless. An entire week's worth of work made pointless in a single encounter. I don't even have the passion for this game anymore to complain, dress this game and its issues down to explain why this should never happen in the first place. If there's anything Bungie has solidly proven to me after this last Iron Banner is that there is absolutely NO reason to ever waste my time with it ever again. It's just a shame that this same formula is going to ruin everything in my inventory in less than a week's time. We paid money for this? No no no no...we paid, EXTRA money for this??? What a joke.

The hunter rests his eyes as his ship auto-pilots to the arena. He hasn't had to "fly" since his ghost revived him in the middle of old russia, so he relishes the brief shuteye whenever he can. The crucible grows more tiresome with each return, but as the named champion of the New Monarchy, the hunter doesn't have much of a choice. He feels the quaking of the ship as they enter the atmosphere. Ghost once again proves a useful companion as he navigates the ship to the drop-zone. The hunter keeps his eyes shut until his feet hit solid ground. He falls to one knee as he materializes out of thin air, left hand to the ground, right hand close to his ear holding his cherished hand cannon. Without standing the hunter retreats behind the nearest cover and draws his Ice Breaker. The hunter can feel the rifle generating ammo, and he waits patiently for the active camo to engage. A few seconds pass and the hunter can no longer see his own rifle. He breaks cover and scans the vista. Gun-shots and grenades sound like fire-crackers in the distance, but the scope brings the hunter eerily close to the action. The wind swirls the red sand of mars and obscures the marksman's vision momentarily. As the sand clears he spots a titan running full-speed to the nearest bunker. The hunter chuckles (titans run slow), leads the target and squeezes the trigger. The titan bursts into particles as Ice Breaker claims it's first foe. The hunter draws his cannon once again, preparing to reposition. Moving with liquid grace, the hunter dashes forward. He keeps an eye on his radar as he moves across the battlefield, always listening for his foes, chanting his own mantra as he moves. "I do not aim with my hand; he who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father. I aim with my eye. I do not shoot with my hand; he who shoots with his hand has forgotten the face of his father. I shoot with my mind. I do not kill with my gun; he who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father. I kill with my heart." As the hunter rounds a corner he hears the sound of a shotgun shell sliding into a chamber. He knows that sound well. He can feel the presence of the warlock waiting just around the corner. His chanting halts briefly and the gunslinger leaps through the doorway. As he soars he swings his gun around to face the direction he just came. There in the corner is a warlock, shotgun in hand, ready to paint the walls with the blood of the gunslinger. The hunter's momentum carries him outside the shotgun's range, and in one practiced motion the gunslinger pulls his knife from it's sheathe and hurls it at the surprised face of the warlock. The warlock is bathed in flames as the solar charged knife buries itself deep in the mask of the dying guardian. The screams grow muffled as the hunter moves on, face grim, mind focused, carrying death with him. "I do not aim with my hand; he who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father. I aim with my eye." The hunter knows he has just two more enemies on the field. He finds cover once again and crouches to gain his bearings. As he recovers he hears heavy footsteps approaching. The hunter draws Ice Breaker once more, feeling the weight of the full chamber, and aims out toward the footsteps. A tinge of fear taints the hunter's focus as his sights level on a real life goliath. A titan, clad in black and white armor with a terror-inspiring skull scratched into the near impenetrable chest armor is walking straight towards the hunter, carrying a heavy machine gun as comfortably as a woodsman bearing a hatchet. The titan walks arrogantly forward and begins to raise his death machine. The hunters fear- clogged mind clears as the behemoth approaches; he levels the sights on the titan's helmet and squeezes the trigger. As Ice Breaker looses it's battle cry, the titan reacts blindingly fast. He jumps into the air and throws his arms wide, and a void forcefield spawns into existence and ricochets the round back at the hunter, puncturing his cloak as the hunter dives to the side. The titan stands in his forcefield laughing, pointing at the hunter with his machine gun. The titan slides his finger across his neck as he moves toward the disoriented hunter. The hunter dives for cover as the tip of the titan's machine gun pushes through the force barrier and begins to shred the landscape. The slugs roar as they fly over the hunter. He can feel his cover disintegrating as the titan's bullets slam into it one after another after another. The slugs kick up sand around the hunter and he is temporarily blinded by the storm the titan is hurling his way. Blinded by sand, and deafened by thunder, the hunter frantically plots his survival. But in that moment, lightning crackles, breaking through the thunder. The titan's onslaught abates momentarily and the hunter takes advantage of the respite to see what he can. Hardly capable of vision, he lifts his head and squints his eyes. A flash of blue and a quick blur draw the titan's attention and he turns to face the new threat. Fast as lightning a bladedancer materializes just above the force barrier, and equally quick he lunges through barrier and stabs the arc blade twice into the titan. The titan goes down with laughter still on his face. The gunslinger sees this all happen in a split-second. Before the titan even hits the ground the bladedancer is moving. Lightning crackles down his arm as he dashes toward the gunslinger. The gunslinger feels fear course through his veins like fire. His limbs and chest burn in protest of his impending death. He lifts his cannon to his eyes intending to thank it for it's unwavering loyalty to his cause, when he sees it too is burning. "I do not shoot with my hand; he who shoots with his hand has forgotten the face of his father. I shoot with my mind." Without thinking the gunslinger aims his flaming weapon, his golden gun, at the bladedancer and squeezes the trigger. "I do not kill with my gun; he who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father. I kill with my heart."

I'm sorry, Bungie knew this was going to happen weeks before they announced it. 2GBs of this update was installed on our consoles weeks ago. They waited 5 days before launch to say "oh yeah, we're making significant changes to the rules". I have a very hard time believing they didn't know what they were doing. Who wouldn't understand why gamers would be upset? It's so obvious. Ultimately, they were not happy with how SUCCESSFUL YOU moved through the game. They can't say that because that sounds terrible, so they work around it which is what this is. These actions only adversely impact legacy players...not the new ones. If it impacted both I might concede their actions weren't targeted at legacy players. They don't like how many exotics you have and how quickly you got them. Making an announcement with only 5 days allows them to conveniently say "Oh we didn't realize you'd be that angry....it's a bit late....oh well, try it though to see if you like it". It's strategy. Their PR release yesterday only confirms their actions. If they really did care about what we would have thought, they would have asked you first when there was still time to balance their vision with your thoughts and feelings. If they're always listening, why are they not ASKING? To be clear...it's their game...their property and I'm just a guy playing on their server. They can do what they want. But you can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't say we listen and care what you have to say but then not ask questions when you're about to change a huge element within the game.

RPG/FPS Fixed it for you. [spoiler]why do people still think this is an mmo? Lolololol the genres people labels games now is pretty funny [/spoiler]

Everyone who says destiny is an mmo and says "clearly you've never played an mmo before" most likely hasn't played an mmo

Dude, the DLC for Destiny was ALWAYS going to be the first week of December. We have also known that new weapons, exotics, armor, etc were going to be in the DLC and surprise, surprise, they're upgrades. We have known that since God was a boy. With your experience in the gear treadmill type of game[i] you should have known better than to invest in upgrading OLD gear when the new content is within a week or two away.[/i] You and people like you that are whining 24/7 should stop blaming Bungie for your idiocy. I think an apology and a self ban from the forums should suffice.

Nobody should compare anything to a game that has zero ambitions and is praised for everything it does right (but not shamed for what it does wrong). A game that abuses high quality cinematics but looks like absolute rubbish has no place being compared to a console game running in 1080p with decent textures: period. Not only has WoW continued to look like sh*t and pull in money from customers with no taste for graphical fidelity, but the game runs on PC. P. C. On a computer, and even more so when you own an independent client to run a game through, pushing patches is easy. On top of that, a P.C. has ample storage and is fully upgradeable. But to keep Destiny running on 4 different consoles, they have to pay their publishing fees 4 times per major update. 4 TIMES. For a small development team, this is hugely detrimental to their operational budget. In addition, these 4 consoles need to have their games coded completely differently. This is because of the lack of processing power in the last-gen xbox 360 and PS3. Remember Skyrim on console? It was slow enough just loading up on a clean hard disk, but after a few hundred hours- it was barely playable. This is because open world style games drain huge amounts of RAM just to function, all the while pulling data from a disk that has no Defrag software and is almost constantly in use. Not to mention the GPU scores, etc. I'll try not to lecture you for hours about computers, because translating from my language to yours in my head is annoying/time consuming. Bottom line: 4 consoles. Game dumbed down to run on all 4 equally because of socialist mentality of Bungie and/or last minute development because their scope of a perfect game was great on paper but didn't quite work. WoW is trash. Don't use WoW for analogies, patching is much easier and cheaper on computers, graphic fidelity is far different for assets, needs to run optimally for a long time so features are cut and rearranged constantly. True open world in 1080p cannot be optimized enough to run on new consoles. Anybody who remembers the first game released on last gen (360/PS3) and compare it to the final games released like The Last of Us, there is a huge difference in performance and asset quality, as well as making games less linear. Most of this is logic, I shouldn't have to spell it out. Oh well. Destiny will get better over time. They may not know how to communicate in advance, but they hear our complainers and try to appease them even if it means putting the rest of their game on hold. I can respect that, but it isn't right.

the point of levelling any gun is to make them stronger making you stronger making tougher enemies easier to face. that's why you level up guns, you're not forced to, you choose to, cause you wanted your gun to be stronger. you chose to spend the time to level it up, bungie didn't force you, so don't blame bungie that you spent time levelling them up. when knew content is added, enemies become more powerful, new gear is added to compete with the stonger enmies, you aquire these new weapons, and you do the same cycle again. as for your old gear, that's old content that has nothing to do with the new content, we're very lucky that bungie are enabling our old exotic stay useful. trade off, reset the progress, complete some bounties and its as good as golden. we're not babies that need to be fed gear cause we demand it. EDIT: and if you complain I don't have the time, I have a life I cant spend time levelling up all my exotics. YOU DONT NEED TO. how many of your exotics do you actually use at any given time? chose one to focus on, level it. when you have time again choose another, you don't need every gun in the game cause you think you have a right to it. its just a game, play it like it is, really none of this matters in the real world. look outside for once, more important things to complain, bitch and worry about in life, over the fact that you have to level a gun again.

I played runescape and still play it

I definitely agree with the part about communication. If you are going to make a huge change like the material exchange bungie should have let people know that it was coming. They basically changed the whole economy of the the game. Prior to patch 50 mats = 5 marks, 250 glimmer and rep, Post patch 10 marks = 20 mats. Now I have a ton of useless location mats in my inventory and vault. You used to be able to then buy legendary gear with marks and if you didn't need them break them down and get ascendant mats. Regarding exotics: all they did by adding exotic shards is make the exotics more expensive.

I strategically stopped playing a month ago so I could enjoy the DLC without a build up of frustration and burn out. ...but returning to [i]this?[/i] It's just ridiculous. I feel like the most beneficial thing to do is wait till all of the DLC is out, so they'll stop haphazardly tinkering with everything.

Thank GOD I haven't played seriously for 2-3 weeks, PWEH dodged a bullet there. I've just been doing nightfalls and maybe checking Xur's inventory. I already pre-ordered into the expansions, i'm hoping it's going to be fun. I have really lost a lot of respect for Destiny though, EVERY patch = Bass ackward for the community.

Very well said. I hope Bungie takes this to heart. I was okay with the changes at first but have been thinking about them more and more. I've just barely gotten some good exotics that people have been bragging about for a while. Now I don't even get a chance to enjoy them.