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Edytowany przez użytkownika Paragon Fury:
9/20/2020 8:48:47 PM
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I'm so confused by the anger around Sunsetting...
As a long time Looter/MMO player (and Destiny too) I feel confused by the anger at sunsetting. Like, the only thing that surprised me is that it took Bungie [i]this[/i] long to do it; I'm used to it occurring every single expansion/sometimes every major patch in other similar games.
Your old gear becoming not only unobtainable but outright useless with the release of new content is basically a staple of the genre/subtype at this point. Sunsetting in a game like Destiny is as natural as Fall coming after Summer - if it DOESN'T happen, then something has gone seriously awry.
Have so many people never played an MMO like WoW or FFXIV before? Or never played Diablo, PoE or The Division? Never played BORDERLANDS?!
New content comes out > your old gear is useless/out of date no matter how good it was before > replaced by new gear > lather, rinse, repeat.
Its the cycle of life for a game of this class.
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Then you have a long way to go 😂
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1 OdpowiedźMaybe you are confused on how sunsetting in D2 is about to go down... we are not getting a once and done sunset like we had in D1, it won't even be a once a year sunset. We are about to get a seasonal sunset and it isn't just our weapons this time. Season 12 will sunset seasons 1-8 this one is going to set us all up for disappointment... Bungie doesn't have the talent or the resources to pull 400 weapons and 200 pieces of armor from usage and replace even a fraction of it without a boat load of reskins. See the new ritual sniper for example... its technically Beloved, you can still see the jewels on it under the cloth.... they quite literally just wrapped it in a scarf and will expect us to grind for it and it won't even be as good as Beloved was, guaranteed. Take Beloved from us, Repackage it, make us regrind for it. Just like Bob the Builder... reduce, reuse, recycle... except for it will be remove, reskin, reuse Then we get season 13, that sunsets all of season 9 14 sunsets all of season 10 15 sunsets all of season 11 16 sunsets all of season 12 Ect Ect Ect. Maybe you dont have 6000 hours into this game and a vault full of masterworked armor and weapons you spent months - years acquiring. It would be alot easier to accept if it was just weapons, but armor? I font remember the last time a piece of armor helped me out in any activity. Mods? Sure... armor? Absolutely not
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It would be fine if they brought new weapons in to the game but they can't even do that. All they know is recycle. Why sunset my gnawing hunger I got months ago to bring it back in this season with zero changes? Why make us grind for things we already have? Its to pad content and its pathetic. All gear is worthless. And what the actual -blam!- is the point of sunsetting armor?
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2 OdpowiedziYou're confused as to why people don't like retiring guns and then re-issuing the [b]exact same guns with the exact same perks[/b]?
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1 OdpowiedźDestiny isn't an mmo. The dlc has never been as big as an mmo expansion. It has some mmo features. But at it's core it is an fps rpg that focuses on looter shooter mechanics. Which is the problem.
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10 OdpowiedziThey don't think about what pro and cons sunsetting brings to the item economy, they simply overreact like kids taken away their toys. And that's the point why bungie doesn't care about the feedback here. It's only emotional overreacting.
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7 OdpowiedziIn other games that sunset gear, the character has skills they have built up, or stats that are tied to the player. In Destiny, the gear [b]is[/b] the stats, so this would be like Borderlands removing skills from the skill tree for a character and [b]maybe[/b] replacing them with similar skills.
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At this time I’m fine with it. I’ll reserve judgment until after the new content drops.
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Edytowany przez użytkownika piratepatchy243: 9/22/2020 8:37:03 AMThe biggest kicker is they've literally reintroduced the exact same weapons already. Not even different rolls or new rolls, there's no difference between them except an emblem. New weapons of same archetype are barely matching or better than old, about the only equivalent that I see better than the old is Forward Path. This route isn't shaking up the meta that's sandbox updates, which I have no doubt will simply shift the meta and nerfherders will still -blam!-. Now it'd be great if there's actually going to be alot of new weapons to fill the gap. It already looks like more of the same bs we've dealt with in D2 vanilla, maybe not as bad but definitely steps back to it.
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1 OdpowiedźAs others have stated, this isn't like the games you listed, we aren't getting a tonne of new gear to obtain. We're getting one armour set and some old weapons brought forward. There is no new chase.
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It simply isn't a staple. Nor do those games have a comparable loot system in order for you to clumsily lump them together.
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You're confused that people are upset that Bungie implied we would get to use our stuff forever... and then took it away. And didn't add hardly anything new to replace it? You must be confused by a LOT of things... SMH...
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1 OdpowiedźThe issue most people have is the fact it solves nothing. Gnawing hunger is a perfect example. I have a god roll one in my vault. It's being sunset next season. But, they're instantly reintroducing it said season, so what's the difference between mine and the new one? Just the season symbol. All that farming. Now gone to essentially nothing because of the symbol the weapon has. But, a counterpoint I see is the "you can still use it." Well, yes, but then what is the point of sunsetting when all you're doing is forcibly restricting endgame loadouts? People complain in lfg when they're asked to have a specific weapon, now you're forcibly doing that to all of the players. While you could argue it stops the game from going stale, it also is just a kick in the balls to player investment. Its the difference between incentivizing changing weapons, and forcing it. Not only that, but they're directly removing access to some weapon types for endgame content. When beyond light hits, you'll be missing a sword element, I think solar. They could add one, but unless it's as good as FG, it'll be a chore to use. Overall, this isnt comparable to ttks sunset. Ttks sunset happened because practically the entire weapon system got a redesign, not only that, but they added more new and interesting weapons for us to chase, rather than slapping a gun out of our hands, only to put a new one in our hands but this time its orange. Let's hope beyond light is a killer.
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None of those games are your stats tied to the actual gear. Completely different scenarios.
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1 OdpowiedźEdytowany przez użytkownika RingersCheckmate: 9/20/2020 9:42:07 PMPeople want to use the same destiny guns and not have to play new content to get new guns because that concept feels wrong to them, simple as that. I was surprised when neither forsaken nor shadowkeep had a form of sunsetting. I think sunsetting is important for Bungie to keep player engagement similar to the MMO RPG style they now want to keep, and some people don't like that style. I can't speak for everyone, I don't know if the people on here actually put that much thought into it all. Main point is I wouldn't have grinded TTK period if they didn't sunset Y1 gear.
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1 OdpowiedźI am all for sun setting, I really am. It’s going to do the game so much good. But the re issuing needs looking at. Gnawing hunger this season for example, either don’t re issue it or add the new sunset date to pre existing ones in the vault. Like if they ever bring back bygones or spare rations (I hope they don’t, I want new weapons, even if they are reskins) then the ones we already have need their sunset date updating too. Other than that I’m pro sun setting.
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1 OdpowiedźI'm sorry you're confused.
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Edytowany przez użytkownika TheArtist: 9/20/2020 11:15:16 PM[quote]As a long time Looter/MMO player (and Destiny too) I feel confused by the anger at sunsetting[/quote] Full stop. You've answered your own question, by independantly making the same point that I've been trying to get people to understand here for the last four months. BECAUSE you and I are both veterans of loot games and MMOs, we are USED to the fact that these games dont' let you keep stuff forever. That they have to retire our old gear in some fashion in oder to control power creep, while still giving us power in the game to chase after. The problem is that DESTINY isn't a player base made up entirely of players like you and me. Many are SHOOTER gamers who came to Destiny looking for a successor to Halo. Others are primarly PVP players and only relate to to the loot game as a means to get gear to play pvp...and this is their first experience with sunsetting. The OTHER part of the problem is that Bungie FED this fricking beast for five years. When the first time for sunsetting came in winter of 2014 with The Dark Below, shooter gamers got mad....pushed back...and Bungie caved to the pressure instead of educating the player base as to why sunsetting was needed. Instead Bungie added INFUSION to the game....and STUPIDLY promised players that they would be able to keep their favorite guns and level it up for as long as they wanted. Then for FIVE years Bungie tried everything under the Sun----and failed----in their effort to manage the game without it. They are finally owning UP to that failure and doing what they should have done years ago. But NOW they have this MONSTER of five years of player expectations. A PROMISE made that they have to walk back...AND A PLAYER BASE THAT STILL DOESN'T FULLY UNDERSTAND WHY ITS NECESSARY...AND NOW DOESN'T TRUST BUNGIE'S EXPLANATIONS AS TO WHY. ...and that is ALL on Bungie, dude. They took the easy way out five years ago, and now they are paying the price for it. All you and I can do is keep trying to explain to people why its necessary, and why the game will be better off with it. Bungie's hands are tied at this point. Because if they did come out and keep trying to explain why its necessary, that would be seen as weakness.....and would only INCREASE the complaints, because people would interpret that to mean that the matter is still open to debate. When fact is where at the poitn where this game's survival is on the line, and it will die if Bungie doesn't do this.
