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1/6/2020 7:27:51 PM
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The Crucible and Skill Based Match Making (it needs to go smh)
actually so fed up and its not just me, having to play sbmm so i can avoid the sweats in classic mix, only to match people in America, Australia, Japan etc and yet I live in the UK. Could we perhaps instead have one casual playlist and then comp... like we used to and it worked fine. Why Bungie decided to change this is still beyond me, other than perhaps new light but i don't see any game we previously played have something that splits the population this hard just for all the newbies.
All I'm trying to say is, bring back a single quickplay/casual playlist and stop with the sbmm, at the end of the day I really do love destiny and have sunk so many hours into pvp these last years I do want the best for the game and believe it could become something amazing, yet it seems Bungie really just don't care about pvp and haven't done for the last 3 seasons.
sorry for the rant I've just lost all hope for a crucible that is both fun and can be competitive with a skill gap, shame really..
I'm just fed up of waiting, excuse the salt.
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It's not the sweaties it's the fact that connection bias determines who does well and that is amplified when skill levels are similar. Skill doesn't matter when one player has an advantage. That is the most frustrating part of sbmm being given higher priority than connection. You don't know if your improving or not. Maybe a visible ranking system would help along with less modes with an effort to split it 50/50 sbmm and cbmm.
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1 OdpowiedźI agree sbmm makes me not bother with regular pvp. It just isn’t fun playing sweaty matches over and over. No room for trying loadouts or messing around as everyone just runs top meta loadouts. It’s not about beating less skilled players it’s about making a casual playlist for fun, which isn’t that what Destiny is all about?. Competitive, Trials and IB should be the sweaty matches not every single pvp playlist.
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34 Odpowiedzi[quote]having to play sbmm so i can avoid the sweats in classic mix[/quote] This is the funniest statement in the whole thing and it's what you start off with. The sweats wanted CBMM, which is what Classic Mix is, so they can relax and have casual games with their friends. Are you sitting here actually saying that Classic Mix is MORE sweaty that Comp? [quote]Could we perhaps instead have one casual playlist and then comp... like we used to and it worked fine[/quote] No. Because the mid-tier players (who outnumber everyone else) stopped playing because the reality is....Sweaty players still play sweaty in CBMM and it still becomes no place for mid-tier players. So most of them left and the number dropped so bad that it was only the sweaty players left. And they then complained that Quick PLay was too sweaty. PVP number are the highest they've been in over 2 years [u]because[/u] SBMM came back. There is now a place for mis-level play AND high levvel play in comp. (Solo Comp was also a great decision). The majority of players do not want a wide skill gap to their gaming and it's been proven by bringing back SBMM and the player numbers that have come with it. Does GEO matching need to be tweaked? Sure no doubt, but no at the expense of the larger player pool.
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Doesnt exist on PC
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16 OdpowiedziNo, if you are a high skill player you deserve to be punished with endless tryhard games, should have thought of that before you took the time to no life and get better. Low kd players should and will continue to be rewarded for being so, if you dont like it then you shouldn't have improved plain and simple.
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It honestly doesnt even matter anymore. Youre either gonna get sweaty classic mix and sbmm matches. Everyone is running meta anyways
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I personally I have to try my ass out to win or to have a dissent game season The control takes 4 ever to find a game and the classic mix is a sweat festival of 5-6 stacks OR unbalance to the maximum.
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2 OdpowiedziSo you want a playlist where you can farm lower skilled players and feel superior?
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17 OdpowiedziYou want a CBMM list, well we have one. What's wrong with that? It's exactly what you are looking for. Go play Classic. End of argument.
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29 OdpowiedziThe game can only match you against people who are available to play. The game gives you a connection based option, but they can't force people to play it. The simple reality is that SBMM gives a better exeperience to msot players. Which is why they are choosing it...and why Classic Mix is so sweaty. Because that CBMM option is filled with "better" players looking to pub stomp. Bungie already tried that "force everyone to play CBMM" last year....and people hated it. Sure, the streamers and the sweaties sung its praises, because they got the parade of weaker players that they wanted. But at the price of daily PVP engagement dropping to HISTORICALLY low levels. So the bottomlines is you need to choose what is important to you. Connections quality....which means you get stuck with better players....or Skill matching...and you don't get quite as crisp connections.
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4 OdpowiedziNo. You had all last year to pad your stats. Now you have to deal. The truth is this system is better for 95% of the population. I still think they should remove "classic mix" and just go back completely to what we had in D1.
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Yea it's been pretty bad recently. Control playlist takes 5+ minutes to start a match and odds are it's very laggy. Classix mix (at least for me) is filled with 6 stacks showing off their 5+ kad emblems.
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Lack of dedicated servers and overall population is dragging SBMM down. I'm OK with it... I'm not ok with players skipping frames because of their regional mcdonalds wifi... Thank god comp is 3v3, iron banana is a nightmare.
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3 OdpowiedziI'm in the US and i find that the SBMM is pretty good. They never find 12 people of my exact skill level, but many games are balanced. Of course i get the games were people leave, but i cant trust that no one will leave a game when i play with all randoms. Sometimes i'm at the top of the winning team, sometimes im at the bottom of the losing team. I still have a 51% winning percentage over 3000+ games. They put some work into PVP for the season of undying. Maybe they arent the changes you were looking for?
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12 OdpowiedziIf they get rid of SBMM then I will not a have any reason to play anymore.
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Lol Get gud noob
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1 OdpowiedźAlso, Mayhem is really casual. I've spent all week playing it, at first just to get my weapon, grenade and super bounties done, but now I'm just doing it because people get hilariously salty when you knock them out of their super and kill them with Agamid, or voop them by shooting them in the toenail with Crooked Fang and Weapons of Light. It's fun to beat people who are spamming Blade Barrage, with just a weapon. I just wish teammates would stop _hiding_ in my bubble and bumping me out of my own bubble. :P They should be out chasing the enemy as soon as they have WoL on, like I do. They're not going to get kills hiding in my bubble, they're just going to turn into Nova Bomb victims or burnt to a crisp in multiple Blade Barrages. I still think Titan Bubble should have a Suppressor effect for enemies entering it, though: Kind of silly that roaming supers can just waltz into my bubble and kill a Titan inside it (although I make it difficult by throwing up multiple barricades to whittle down their health and spam-meleeing them :P). I mean, is there any super that _doesn't_ pop a Titan bubble or allow people to just walk in? Bonus if Bungie make bubbles like one-way mirrors so teammates can see out and enemies can't see in: then one could put up bubbles as decoys and make people either waste their one-shot supers on popping the bubble in hopes there is someone inside, or risk popping their head into the bubble to see how many people are inside, if any.
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Stop calling it sbmm - it's not sbmm - it's Bungie's shitty interpretation of what they think it should be. Other games use sbmm just fine; these problems are solely Bungie's. Also, you're matching people you wouldn't normally match because the crucible population is very low, because there isn't any reason for the rest of us to play.
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For all those harping about region-locking: Anyone can connect to another region with VPN. If a region has low population, you can bet that people will VPN to another region that has a higher population. I can't remember which game, but I VPN'ed to Japan a few years ago to play a game before it released in the US .
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Its a really simple solution. Freelance Clash CBMM playlist alongside the current Control SBMM playlist. Put Supremacy back on the weekly rotation and get rid of Classic Mix.
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Lol no. If anything team balancing needs a rework. Too many one sided match ups. Shouldn't put all the sweaties on one team, should distribute teams by kd.
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1 OdpowiedźSBMM =casual. It finds people of your own skill and lower. The connection based we had before paired players who just started against people with not forgotten.
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I mean it in not hateful manner but it seems to me what you mean to say is “wow I can’t go into crucible and slay everything I see anymore cause I’m getting paired against people of my level” sucks actually having a challenge doesn’t it lol
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Your post literally makes no sense. On one hand you don't want CBMM because you don't want to play with all the sweats. On the other hand you want CBMM because you don't want to play people thousands of miles away. All this tells me is that you are a higher skilled player that doesn't want competition. If you were a lower skilled player you wouldn't be matching up with people thousands of miles away because I am sure that there are plenty of lower skilled players in the UK playing that you could be matched up with. Apparently you don't realize the eventual outcome of every pure CBMM playlist. As time goes on the lowest skill players stop playing because they get tired of getting curb stomped every match. The skill gap between the lowest and highest skill players continues to shrink until all thats left are the top tier players and those who decide to "deal with it". Which is exactly what happened with QuickPlay. And in case you missed it QuickPlay is still around... it was renamed to Classic Mix.
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Either give us the freedom to choose our matching preferences or just make a SBMM/CBMM hybrid system that has special considerations for outliers and 6 stacks.
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SBMM isn't even working half the time. I went on a loss streak in comp at the beginning of the season. Why? Because I was entering the Crucible for the first time of the season with a team I hadn't done the comp grind with ever, and I matched several teams who were all at 5500 and had done nothing but play comp with each other every day, all day, for over 2 months. I tracked them and everything. How people spend that much time in comp I'll never know.
