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Edytowany przez użytkownika AbsolutZeroGI: 8/15/2019 5:31:14 PM
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Dispelling the myth that Well needs nerfed

A LOT of people don't understand how math works. 1. A well adds 35% damage per player and it does not stack. If a fireteam of 6 people deal a total of 1000 damage, the well increases that to 1350 damage. If each guardian is doing 1000 damage, each guardian does 1350 damage x 6 = 8100 damage, 35% higher than the 6000 they would've done without a well. You're not doing 210% more damage and percentages don't "add up" like that you uneducated morons. 2. "It makes the game worse because all you do is sit in a well and fire" Inaccurate. Bungie keeps creating encounters where the most logical thing to do is sit in a well and spam fire. Nerfing it doesn't make encounters anymore difficult, simply longer because guardians are dealing less damage. In fact, with a worse well, you're just spamming the fire button for a longer period of time, making the encounter more tedious. In D1, raid bosses and mechanics forced movement frequently. Well doesn't work in King's Fall or Wrath of the Machine because you have to run around and do shit basically the whole time. It works in EOW because the boss' crit spot faces one direction, it doesn't move, and neither do you for the whole damage phase. *Edit* In the instances where well would've worked in D1, people DID use Titan bubbles which were functionally identical. It buffed weapons making for quicker encounters and made you invulnerable to damage. The only difference was the 19 pixel strafe to get into and out of the Bubble. Nobody called for nerfs to the Bubble because "every raid encounter needs a bubble!". Stop bringing it up, you will lose that comparison. 3. "It's broken or whatever the non warlock mains keep saying " There's a video of a hunter one shot meleeing a raid boss to death. There are videos of 6 hunters killing Calus and finishing EOW in under 15 seconds with celestial nighthawk and golden gun spam. Some dumb ass streamer wants to talk about a well of radiance that helps guardians finish an event approximately 35% faster and THAT'S the broken thing Bungie fixes? Sorry, but no. Hunters have been leaning on Celestial Nighthawk since D1 and do things with it that warlocks can only dream about. You can break various aspects of this game with all characters. 4. "it's still broken cuz you can one phase bosses" We were one phasing every raid encounter back in Y1 with regular rifts before well ever existed and nobody complained then. You can one phase any strike boss with a well coordinated fireteam without a warlock present at all. Blinding Wells aren't any harder without them and, frankly, the only reason they're useful in Leviathan is because of the reload mechanic with Lunas while shooting skulls during the Calus encounter. 5. "Something something warlocks are OP" You can still beat a prestige EOW final encounter in under 20 seconds with 6 hunters. Can't do that with 6 warlocks. Careful where you toss your OP badge, idiots. Celestial Nighthawk + one guy to tether with Orpheus Rig was the original one phase cheese and you can still mostly do it. 6. "Phoenix Protocol means infinite rifts!" No, you (the warlock) have to kill/assist mobs to generate the new super energy. If there are none (or very few), you get no super energy and it's a useless exotic. Never mind that most self respecting warlocks wear Lunafaction boots to raids and have since year 1, before well ever existed. The infinite well trick only works in the blind well and that's assuming you put it in the right place and get bullets in most of the bad guys that appear. The exotic doesn't just give you free super energy for existing. It's not Bernie Sanders armor. 7. "You're functionally invincible in a well" In PvE, maybe. It's a super after all. They're not called "mediocres". However, in PvP, you absolutely are not invincible. It being mostly useless in pvp because of the fast TTK is why lost of us use nova bombs or the other solar super. 7. "Datto is popular and everything he says is right." Datto gets paid money to play a game you all paid for and play without monetary gain. He is not you, he does not represent you, and his views only serve himself and his popularity. They should NEVER be a guide Bungie uses to dictate mechanics to the rest of the player base, none of whom play the game as often or [i][u]for the same reasons[/u][/i] as a damn streamer. This is his job. It is our hobby. He does not and will never want the same things we do. 8. "Nerf Lunafaction boots" If you nerf Lunas, then OEM, Celestial Nighthawk, and basically every other good exotic better -blam!-ing well be on that list too. Either you burn everybody or leave well enough alone. The effects people whine about are all a combination of an exotic piece of gear and a SUPER. the well isn't infinite without exotic armor and it doesn't reload your weapons without exotic boots. Take into consideration that most players don't get paid money to play the game like Datto or play the game for 4000 hours like many of you. A lot of people don't have those exotics and are staring down the barrel of a super being made pointless for a reason they never got to experience. 9. "Well Datto has a point" Nobody gave a shit about Lunas, wells, or rifts before Datto posted his bullshit rage bait nonsense video about it. Nobody cared if a warlock had a well and Lunas. These were not issues that needed to be fixed. It's just a bored streamer in mid August playing a game nobody is gonna care about for another 2 months with no content to make so he invented a problem and complained about it. Content creators in YouTube do that literally all the time. It's not a real problem, he just needs a paycheck and chose Wells to complain about this time. Nothing he said made any actual sense to a warlock main who actually plays this game. 10. "Well something something pinnacle events well of radiance" You're just salty that nobody cares about your rally barracades anymore. Keep in mind that this is a SUPER with an EXOTIC paired together and Titan and Hunter mains have no problems coming into this community to defend their crutches (One Eyed Mask, for instance). 11. "Bungie is gonna do it anyway" Yeah, screw that miserable company. Why would anybody buy Shadowkeep if they're gonna grind and grind for good stuff just to have it nerfed every time some whiny brat streamer makes a cry video about it. Whatever. -blam!- you, Bungie. 12. "It makes the game boring" No, the game is already boring. Well just made it faster and easier, which is what a Super is supposed to -blam!-ing do. Sure the argument is made that it forces players to play somewhat differently, the fact remains that exotic + super combinations are used as crutches by all subclasses in all aspects of the game. It's disingenuous to single out solar-locks with Lunas when Titans and Hunters also have broken ass mechanics with exotics and supers. Why not change how they play too? Or has this dwindling community somehow, some way not gotten tired of Jotunn noobs or sliding-shotgun titans with OEMs? *edit* Adding one more 13. "It adds variety to the game" This one is difficult to argue in a vacuum because a lot of us do use Well in the same circumstances (mostly raid encounters). However, there are many items, supers, and mechanics that dictate how people play. OEM + Dusk Rock Blues Titans are still an overwhelming favorite for PvP players. Machine Guns and 1k Voices are immensely popular by invaders in Gambit. Hell, guardians cheese Flashpoint by intentionally not doing the public event (and not letting anyone do it) so they can fast travel back and redo the event a second time. People will skip to the end of Last Wish to farm 1k voices and not even do the rest of the raid. And the complaint is that Well reduces the number of ways people play? Thus, the idea of Nerfing well for the sake of "variety" while ignoring all of the other game breaks, cheeses, and gear/supers that dictate how people play is basically just an absurd witch hunt dreamt up by a guy who just needed something to talk about in August when there's nothing to talk about in this game. "I like fixes as long as long as it doesn't change how I play" is a bad reason to change how thousands of people play a video game and "because a streamer said so" is not respecting the people who paid $100+ for this game and all its DLC. Streamers aren't representatives. We did not vote for them.
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  • I actually think it does need tuning down. It's getting boring, and makes hard encounters far too easy. I think a choice of extra damage, or healing would work. Or make the healing linked to kills attained whilst in the well.

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    • I read right up until you said in Point #2 that D1 raids forced movement and Well wouldn't have worked in King's Fall or Wrath of the Machine. All of those raids had "stand here, DPS boss" spots. Vault of Glass: Middle Platform Crota's End: Just outside the room to the right (or left depending on your team) King's Fall: In the middle between the two raised platforms Wrath of the Machine: Right next to Aksis or wherever your snipers decided to meet up. (Swords were the best means of DPS if you could get close to him fast enough, otherwise snipers were the second best option.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- King's Fall especially would've been completely broken with Well of Radiance. Touch of Malice was the best DPS weapon to stop Oryx's wipe mechanic. Bungie had to nerf Blessings of Light to be taken away completely by ToM's first bonus-damage shot because it was a way for players to circumvent the damage to their health. Now, imagine a super whose sole purpose is to constantly regen your health and give you an overshield, as well as a damage bonus. Well of Radiance would've made that encounter far easier than even Ward of Dawn did.

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      • You do realize that if Datto had the game the way he wanted, that we'd have a completely different game, right? Datto doesn't like that WoL is returning. He doesn't like TLW, which he's made clear since D1. He wants the Riven fight to actually be a fight. He wants heavy to be fixed for Gambit. You guys see one opinion piece, and one change coming, and you start whining about it instantly.

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      • Okay an important thing to note here. Nobody official said anything about well getting nerfed. Some random person started it on the forums and it turned into a crazy echo chamber. There may be never be a nerf for all we know, so lets stop getting upset about something that was never announced.

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      • Wow

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      • You put a lot of time and effort into this. Shame it doesn’t matter and the nerf to Well is happening and you’ll just have to deal with it. 😉

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        • Great post! 🤙

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        • 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Give this man a medal!!! He deserves it

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        • 100% agree with your well worded, extremely detailed post. I have tried many times to point out similar views to nerf crying op screamers. Unfortunately for the sane well informed guardians who have tried to reason their logical arguments, it falls on biased deaf ears and is steam rolled through because of ignorance and arrogance... In the end with the same in game result... boredom with a different less effective meta. After all, Bungie ‘know’ they never make mistakes.

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        • simply don't allow Lunafaction to work with Well of Radiance, but leave both as-is otherwise. So now to get the same effect, you'd need to: 1: slam a Well down 2: place a rift that will expire before the well does 3: rely on somebody else, either with their own lunafaction rift or a rally barricade, to keep the constant DPS going, placed just as your initial rift expires. It's slightly less braindead than "stand in the circle and spam the fire button" now you have to stand in multiple circles!

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          • ITS NOT THE WELL OF RADIANCE THAT NEEDS NERFING FFS!!! The well of radiance is ALWAYS paired with LUNAFACTION. BOOTS. Well provides a damage buff and fast health regen. Granted that's what the well of radiance should do. It is a SUPER. It is meant to give an advantage. And for most endgame activities it is mostly always required. Warlocks have this ability because it prevents the team from dying all the time and also makes encounters faster due to its damage buff, but well of radiance in these activities is ALWAYS required to be paired with lunafactions. Let's think about this. Imagine a team with 120 spike grenade launchers with 1 warlock running well and lunas on Riven. (For this example we are using an edge transit with 120rpm, spike grenades, 5 in the magazine and 12 shots total). 12 shots x 6 people =72 shots. Without reloading. That's a heck of a lot of shots All of the ammo can be wasted in 6 seconds (if 120 rpm) with lunas equipped). Without lunas, there is an extra 3-4 seconds of reload. If everyone reloads at the same time, in 6 seconds, only 30 shots have been fired overall (5 shots by 6 people), less than half of what would be the case with lunas. (Please correct me if my maths is wrong at any point) This differes slightly depending on what grenade launcher the players have (and some may have an increase in mag size or rpm), but the outcome will always be very similar. The number of ammo used will be around half of what it would be without lunas. Lunafactions remove reloads and remove the wasted time on reloads aswell, allowing us to maximise DPS. Nerfinge well wont fix it, because people are still going to use the spike nade launcher strat on riven regardless.

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          • Well and empowering melee from the Warlock stacks. 60% damage buff for 5 seconds then 35% for the remaining 25. Add Lunas to that mix and it’s over. I main Warlock and it’s broken and needs to be looked at. They were most likely working on it before his video even came out.

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            • I'm gonna laugh so hard if the Well nerf is like a 10% reduction to the health & damage boosts.

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              • Agreed. Just replaced “streamer” with “internet beggar”. And yeah that’s about right👍

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                • Edytowany przez użytkownika RWBY'S WORKOUT (TIMELOST): 8/15/2019 1:37:47 AM
                  Well gets brought in line so bubble appears viable Seems like a fine trade off considering [b][u]WE DONT’T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE CHANGING[/u][/b]

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                  • TL;DR Angry Warlock Main Noises. Well of Radiance is overtuned for what it does. Do you know how much damage increase Banner Shield provides? And that's one less Fireteam member being able to shoot, too. The Titan just sits there, looking pretty, Blocking damage that can easily be over healed by Well of Radiance's throughput. Lunafaction Boots (after its buff) just make it even more overtuned.

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                    • It's damage bonus should be removed and put into bubble, this way you'll have a 2 way synergy with Well's healing and Bubble's Blessing of Light.

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