A LOT of people don't understand how math works.
1. A well adds 35% damage per player and it does not stack.
If a fireteam of 6 people deal a total of 1000 damage, the well increases that to 1350 damage. If each guardian is doing 1000 damage, each guardian does 1350 damage x 6 = 8100 damage, 35% higher than the 6000 they would've done without a well. You're not doing 210% more damage and percentages don't "add up" like that you uneducated morons.
2. "It makes the game worse because all you do is sit in a well and fire"
Inaccurate. Bungie keeps creating encounters where the most logical thing to do is sit in a well and spam fire. Nerfing it doesn't make encounters anymore difficult, simply longer because guardians are dealing less damage. In fact, with a worse well, you're just spamming the fire button for a longer period of time, making the encounter more tedious.
In D1, raid bosses and mechanics forced movement frequently. Well doesn't work in King's Fall or Wrath of the Machine because you have to run around and do shit basically the whole time. It works in EOW because the boss' crit spot faces one direction, it doesn't move, and neither do you for the whole damage phase.
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In the instances where well would've worked in D1, people DID use Titan bubbles which were functionally identical. It buffed weapons making for quicker encounters and made you invulnerable to damage. The only difference was the 19 pixel strafe to get into and out of the Bubble. Nobody called for nerfs to the Bubble because "every raid encounter needs a bubble!". Stop bringing it up, you will lose that comparison.
3. "It's broken or whatever the non warlock mains keep saying "
There's a video of a hunter one shot meleeing a raid boss to death. There are videos of 6 hunters killing Calus and finishing EOW in under 15 seconds with celestial nighthawk and golden gun spam. Some dumb ass streamer wants to talk about a well of radiance that helps guardians finish an event approximately 35% faster and THAT'S the broken thing Bungie fixes? Sorry, but no. Hunters have been leaning on Celestial Nighthawk since D1 and do things with it that warlocks can only dream about. You can break various aspects of this game with all characters.
4. "it's still broken cuz you can one phase bosses"
We were one phasing every raid encounter back in Y1 with regular rifts before well ever existed and nobody complained then. You can one phase any strike boss with a well coordinated fireteam without a warlock present at all. Blinding Wells aren't any harder without them and, frankly, the only reason they're useful in Leviathan is because of the reload mechanic with Lunas while shooting skulls during the Calus encounter.
5. "Something something warlocks are OP"
You can still beat a prestige EOW final encounter in under 20 seconds with 6 hunters. Can't do that with 6 warlocks. Careful where you toss your OP badge, idiots. Celestial Nighthawk + one guy to tether with Orpheus Rig was the original one phase cheese and you can still mostly do it.
6. "Phoenix Protocol means infinite rifts!"
No, you (the warlock) have to kill/assist mobs to generate the new super energy. If there are none (or very few), you get no super energy and it's a useless exotic. Never mind that most self respecting warlocks wear Lunafaction boots to raids and have since year 1, before well ever existed. The infinite well trick only works in the blind well and that's assuming you put it in the right place and get bullets in most of the bad guys that appear. The exotic doesn't just give you free super energy for existing. It's not Bernie Sanders armor.
7. "You're functionally invincible in a well"
In PvE, maybe. It's a super after all. They're not called "mediocres". However, in PvP, you absolutely are not invincible. It being mostly useless in pvp because of the fast TTK is why lost of us use nova bombs or the other solar super.
7. "Datto is popular and everything he says is right."
Datto gets paid money to play a game you all paid for and play without monetary gain. He is not you, he does not represent you, and his views only serve himself and his popularity. They should NEVER be a guide Bungie uses to dictate mechanics to the rest of the player base, none of whom play the game as often or [i][u]for the same reasons[/u][/i] as a damn streamer. This is his job. It is our hobby. He does not and will never want the same things we do.
8. "Nerf Lunafaction boots"
If you nerf Lunas, then OEM, Celestial Nighthawk, and basically every other good exotic better -blam!-ing well be on that list too. Either you burn everybody or leave well enough alone. The effects people whine about are all a combination of an exotic piece of gear and a SUPER. the well isn't infinite without exotic armor and it doesn't reload your weapons without exotic boots. Take into consideration that most players don't get paid money to play the game like Datto or play the game for 4000 hours like many of you. A lot of people don't have those exotics and are staring down the barrel of a super being made pointless for a reason they never got to experience.
9. "Well Datto has a point"
Nobody gave a shit about Lunas, wells, or rifts before Datto posted his bullshit rage bait nonsense video about it. Nobody cared if a warlock had a well and Lunas. These were not issues that needed to be fixed. It's just a bored streamer in mid August playing a game nobody is gonna care about for another 2 months with no content to make so he invented a problem and complained about it. Content creators in YouTube do that literally all the time. It's not a real problem, he just needs a paycheck and chose Wells to complain about this time. Nothing he said made any actual sense to a warlock main who actually plays this game.
10. "Well something something pinnacle events well of radiance"
You're just salty that nobody cares about your rally barracades anymore. Keep in mind that this is a SUPER with an EXOTIC paired together and Titan and Hunter mains have no problems coming into this community to defend their crutches (One Eyed Mask, for instance).
11. "Bungie is gonna do it anyway"
Yeah, screw that miserable company. Why would anybody buy Shadowkeep if they're gonna grind and grind for good stuff just to have it nerfed every time some whiny brat streamer makes a cry video about it. Whatever. -blam!- you, Bungie.
12. "It makes the game boring"
No, the game is already boring. Well just made it faster and easier, which is what a Super is supposed to -blam!-ing do. Sure the argument is made that it forces players to play somewhat differently, the fact remains that exotic + super combinations are used as crutches by all subclasses in all aspects of the game. It's disingenuous to single out solar-locks with Lunas when Titans and Hunters also have broken ass mechanics with exotics and supers. Why not change how they play too? Or has this dwindling community somehow, some way not gotten tired of Jotunn noobs or sliding-shotgun titans with OEMs?
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Adding one more
13. "It adds variety to the game"
This one is difficult to argue in a vacuum because a lot of us do use Well in the same circumstances (mostly raid encounters). However, there are many items, supers, and mechanics that dictate how people play. OEM + Dusk Rock Blues Titans are still an overwhelming favorite for PvP players. Machine Guns and 1k Voices are immensely popular by invaders in Gambit.
Hell, guardians cheese Flashpoint by intentionally not doing the public event (and not letting anyone do it) so they can fast travel back and redo the event a second time. People will skip to the end of Last Wish to farm 1k voices and not even do the rest of the raid. And the complaint is that Well reduces the number of ways people play?
Thus, the idea of Nerfing well for the sake of "variety" while ignoring all of the other game breaks, cheeses, and gear/supers that dictate how people play is basically just an absurd witch hunt dreamt up by a guy who just needed something to talk about in August when there's nothing to talk about in this game.
"I like fixes as long as long as it doesn't change how I play" is a bad reason to change how thousands of people play a video game and "because a streamer said so" is not respecting the people who paid $100+ for this game and all its DLC. Streamers aren't representatives. We did not vote for them.
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9 OdpowiedziJust make a raid boss that moves around a lot. Like Shuro Chi or something.
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Easiest solution is make lunafaction boots only reload for the wearer. And while we're at it go back to the old year one style of having to crouch behind really barricade and have it only affect the one who drops it. As a warlock main I would happily trade well in for a tree built around the sunsinger recharge rate decrease and flame shield for melee perk
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As a Warlock main, I’d say just reduce the time of well down to maybe 20 seconds, I don’t think that’s too much
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As someone who plays all three but as a hunter main i have to agree, well-lock is fine as is and with every other super apart from sentinel shield and hammers, you need actual skill to use them properly. The nerf to Orpheus for example, you can still get a full super recharge if you actually have the skill to predict where the tether will do the best, simply calling for a nerf whenever something doesn't go your way is just childish and it is sad that bungie actually abides by them sometimes. I mean nerf lunas howl and not forgotten but recluse is just as bad if not worse since its submachine gun so it has a faster fire rate. All those who call to make a game harder by nerfing things is idiotic, you nerf well-lock where does your ability to do most raid cheeses that everyone apart from the top raiders are so glad exist.
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It amazes me just how many who main classes other than the warlock keep looking for ways to rag on the warlock class. First nova warp got nerfed to kingdom come (yes it needed a tweak but it was overdone) and now people are complaining about well. Honestly the destiny masses is their own worst enemy and it will get to a point they nerf fun out of destiny itself. Yes I know....many of you are already saying “that’s already happened” or “too late”
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1 OdpowiedźThanks Asher
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Personally I disagree, but that's just my opinion. You do make a good argument.
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As a warlock main I look forward to titans taking back their bubble overlord role and maybe I can run something besides Wellock all the time. But for those teams that struggle thru raids and higher end content or soloing stuff - you know the 95% of the playerbase that aren't spectacular or play with people that aren't spectacular at the game - those wells are really needed and appreciated. I mean if you think they make your game too easy fine - just don't use them.
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If Datto wasn't a streamer with an ocean of losers there to carry him and show him shit, he'd be a nobody. Imagine how little he would accomplish without being able to surround himself with better players because of his fake nerd popularity (paid promotion by Bungie). Imagine liking any product and your trusted source for news about that product is paid for by the company that makes that product. They think an actual cheque needs to be sent to have this effect. Free shit? Free trips? Exclusive early access? Literally fed raid info because they CANNOT solve utter nonsense mechanics without help. Datto and all streamers like Datto (most of the popular ones) are cancer to this industry in ways far to many gamers simply cannot comprehend. May as well change the rules of boxing so we can only use our jab hand. Vasyl Lomachenko needs a "challenge" right?? Wrong. He plays by the same rules and just does it better. The way things should be. So what is the issue? Core gameplay flaws. From utter nonsense raid mechanics to barely any true customization with copy pasta perks/abilities that are often reskinned from other subclasses. Leaves us with all of a few things that work, few tools to use to deal with problems, and our core gameplay problem still exists. Being white text that magically makes you lose. Cuz reasons. If love a raid without a single ball or plate. I doubt Bungie is even capable. Remember when we could just shoot bad guys and our abilties as specific tools helped us deal with threats? Me too. Sadly, it was a totally different IP. In Overwatch tanks tank. Damage does damage. Supports support. In Destiny Warlocks are tanks. Our tanky titans run around like sonic the hunter class. Our hunters are basic broad shooter characters with little to do with stealth or speed. They're just a tad more mechanically precise. Something all the classes have anyways. (not that they're bad compared to the other 2). 3 classes. All essentially the same but doing the wrong role when they do start to use their limited abilties. I should have known Destiny would be generic garbage at the reveal for D1 when it was clear it was all shooting. Holstering weapons for a light based combat system could and should have been the tools we needed to deal with the big bad boss. Instead we all get a press A to blow shit up button, a handful of mostly identical grenades. Perks that often help in small ways, very situational in usage. And THEN that all falls into the lap of PVP that can't be balanced because it can't handle sandbox power. It's almost like Bungie is clueless and just wants to rake in the cash on Microtransactions. But hey, don't worry fellas. Those Microtransactions paid for outbreak prime. An old gun in a place made up of old assets. Apart of a season you already paid for. #winning.
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I really wish someone would go back through all of Datto's videos or any streamer a game developer listens to and listen to how they change their minds on things from what they once said and then all the sudden a nerf happens or in a few instances buffs. What happened to where Bungie said they wanted us to feel powerful? Yet we start inching that direction and now all the sudden we are going backwards. Sorry but for me it is by far more fun to slaughter everything in sight and make it through things than it is to beat my head against a wall and never get anywhere. There are still A LOT of people that have tried failed and given up on the raids in D2. I don't know the numbers for sure but I want to say something I read said less than 2% of players have completed any raids and less than that have completed all of them. If people don't like the well or feel it is OP for them then swap to a different super.
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Just wait if we’ll get nerf ppl will be it needed it bad for game but the same ppl will be excited and brag about weapons of light when it returns in shadowkeep smh 🤦♂️ hypocrites
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Yea I agree. There was nothing wrong with Well of Radiance. It was just a way for less experienced teams to beating Reckoning for example. Once they nerf it, it will get a little bit more difficult. People already hate that game mode, so making it harder to grind for Spare Rations, isn't really a good thing in my book.
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1 OdpowiedźI'm on the side of no nerf to Well itself. Maybe, just maybe, nerf Phoenix Protocol a smidge. It's a Super its supposed to do super things, we are God killers, defenders of whats left of humanity and beyond. Endowed with Light from the Traveler who btw gave us our super powers. Nerfing supers which work well (no pun intended) and not broken (coughShardscough but that was sooooo fun!) is an insult to the Traveler (and yes now I'm getting cheesy). I'll relate this to the idiots that call for nerfs on Fusion Rifles. What you that stupid? FUSION!!! As in mini-nuclear reactors shooting plasma balls the equivalent of mini-suns, it has no choice buy destroy you, even a Guardian. Shoot cross map? Yes for a rail, rail like FR. Track you, OK physics is slightly broken there so---- Sooooo what to do about about the point that we use Wells a lot (bridge without Wells is often disastrous for a team of solo-players). But we are already playing with the concept of motes of darkness -Gambit- so what happens if a Well is infected with motes of darkness? Sounds like a fun activity to me. Well till I die a million times from it and then nerf this, nerf that grrr, round and round we go.
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Edytowany przez użytkownika W33DEDPLAGUE: 8/15/2019 10:24:05 PMWell-articulated, good points, great debate format...too bad most people aren't going to read your essay because you feel the need to insult their intelligence. You had a real shot at convincing some people they were wrong...that's a lot of wasted typing. I'm in the camp that doesn't want our content to to all be reckoning. Maybe it's a different change than Well, maybe it's design changes, I dont know. But all I do know is that Bungie said they had to design the activity that way because it had to be enough for all the supers and regen exotics we had. I don't want everything in the game to become frustrating for a majority of players to complete (I love the challenge, it's the best but I don't want thinga to be impossible for most players), and if that's why they designed it how they did, I'm ready for whatever change they need to make.
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7 OdpowiedziCouldn't shoot rockets inside bubbles, I got kicked from so many raids in D1..:/
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This post is 100% accurate.
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Only thing that needs to be said is that we've been 1 phasing bosses since D1Y1. You people just need something to whine about and WoR is the target for whatever reason.
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The real issue is that Bungie will absolutely destroy the WoR when they do nerf it. Bungle have a poor track record of 'balancing' things so I expect that the well to be dead come Shadowkeep
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you win
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gjallarhorn isn't op!!! if you're tired of it trivializing pve activities just don't use it. its that simple!!1!1!1
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Bravo. 👍
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Probably should add one about the fact they they are just swapping the buff class from warlock to Titan.
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5 OdpowiedziHopefully you did share this on Reddit. Your points are accurate and well taken. Thank you.
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There are two things in Destiny 2 that need to be nerfed. They are Misadventure and The Architects. I’m fine with everything else.
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7 OdpowiedziThis is simple. If well is OP don’t use it and complain about challenge level. Nobody has a gun pointed at them and forced into using anything in a load out. Nerfing things in PVE doesn’t improve the quality of life in the game but instead makes it bland and boring. Bungie should look at awarding seals, emblems and better rewards for those who accomplish more while using less. Casuals can have an easier time playing difficult content and veteran/elite players are acknowledged in the game. Everyone wins.
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I agree! I honk it could use a little bit of adjusting but I don’t want it to become completely un used