What cheese would it have been? Maybe a step or two but what other cheese has there been that so totally goes against the spirit of the quest has there been? I remember teaming in rumble for the last curse quest step but not the entire gun plus catalyst.

First, what does it matter to what degree you cheesed anything? Cheesing is cheesing. For myself, I couldn’t care less if people do or don’t, as I couldn’t care less what they have or how they got it. Second, you only get two things from this cheese: a triumph (and the emote), and; access to the catalyst once you get the gun. Understand, you still have to get the gun. You still have to buy/acquire tributes if you want to finish the hall. Maybe that matters, maybe it doesn’t, but you don’t get everything from the cheese.

Well youre right I didn't understand that. I could give two shits about all that. If you still have to buy all the tributes then what is everyone -blam!- about? As far as levels of cheesing, there is definitely a difference, maybe not in this case, but cheesing a step and cheesing an entire quest are 2 different things. And if you don't agree then we will have to leave it at that. It seems pretty obvious to me but what do I know. I was absolutely misinformed then on what this cheese was.

I’m amoral about it. If it doesn’t impact others, it doesn’t matter to me. Of course that’s PvE. I can understand people being upset about cheesing that gives a player a dominant weapon in PvP - then someone else suffers for the cheese. Totally legit outrage then. Look, many of us were able to solo up and through Crota in D1. The problem is you had to somehow bypass the bridge encounter designed for six players. Enter the sword cheese. Did it hurt anyone? Not at all. Did it actually evolve the encounter and make it challenging enough to be worth trying again? Yup. I would argue sometimes cheesing winds up giving us interesting possibilities. You’ll always get the “that’s not how they were intended to be done” arguments, but consider this... The sport we today call basketball was created by Dr. Naismith in 1891. He used a soccer ball and two peach baskets. Should we apply the “that’s not how they were meant to be used!” argument?

True but I don't see the same invention in this. As a sword swinger myself, it wasnt that easy, but could be done solo. I get it. Like using the forge cheese to get mats for buying tributes. Totally fine with it. But an exploit that gifts an entire thing is pretty lame. Not that this is happening with juju. Good hunting