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1/10/2019 5:50:58 PM
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Forbes: “...Niobe Labs...a community event gone wrong.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2019/01/09/good-morning-destiny-2s-niobe-labs-still-isnt-solved-a-community-event-gone-wrong/amp/
This is a good article (blog) “kindly” summing up the state of this “community event.”
I have nothing to add to it other than it’s spot on from my point of view about how Niobe Labs has gone and I accept others may disagree with it. However, the longer this “puzzle” takes, the more this article nails it. It’s unfortunate because I wanted to like the Labs and Black Armory but Bungie seems to be making errors by being out of touch with the majority of its player base.
Edit: So Bungie made a content so hard that it’s gone longer than the longest first raid completion and the streamer big names (like Datto) have thrown in the towel because they are burnt out. Who was this for? 99% of players didn’t try it and your streamers have hit the fatigue wall so what happens if the .9% that like this puzzle still can’t do it and this drags on much longer? Finally going to give better hints? Send medical professionals with stimulants to wake the streamers?
Edit 2: This isn’t a “community event” for the vast majority of players. I wrote this in another post:
“Niobe Lab was just too damn complicated and a bone to help streamers get some money more than giving the “community” a chance to help the event. It would have been better to have all players be able to do something to help open the lab. Like each strike, NF, pvp and raid added points to unlock it similar to faction rally needing points for the win.”
Or as someone suggested each forge completion and/or new weapon forged added to a total to unlock the forge.
Edit: So as others have posted the info on Bungie twitter, the forge will be unlocked by 2pm Pacific time. Some where some Bungie employee or employees are being talked to about making something too complicated AND linking it to the new forge. If they had not coupled the puzzle to the forge this would be a better event.
Edit: Saw this on Reddit. Loved the humor.
Zephaus• Jan 9, 2019, 12:48 PM
Inside Bungie HQ...
"We really shouldn't just unlock it! Think about how hard they've worked."
"Yeah, but they're only on level 7."
"Well, they'll get thru it soon. Forge could be unloc... - Wait. Did you say only level 7?"
"Mmmhmmm.""Well, how many levels are there?"
Pulls out large diagram and lays it out on the table.
Everyone leans over it and studies it silently for a few minutes.
"Okay, so 2pm today?"
Edit: I applaud Bungie for doing something new. The issue for most wasn’t the Labs or the difficulty but the tying it to the forge. As it’s own content this did appeal to people that love lore and puzzles. Giving that type of player a brain teaser is great and give them a bragging reward like emblem, ghost, etc would be appropriate. Just like the pvp players get the Luna/NF and PVE players get raid/forge is fair for their efforts and their tastes. Players who are saying those who wanted the forge unlocked are “trash” are YOU actually “helping” or “attempting” the Labs? I would say most likely not because those that love “trashing” others don’t seem like team players by the fact you like to insult others. Bungie should continue to take risks but have a balance. They leap from extreme to extreme. Having the Labs was great and a challenge for players who love that type of content. However the appeal is limited to small percent of players and it doesn’t seem the thing is unlocked as of Thursday morning. Seems like interest to solve this has dropped and people have moved on.
[spoiler]Moderator edit: This thread has been moved to #Feedback forum so that other Destiny players can weigh in. [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/139533839/0/0] See Cozmo's thread here[/url] for more information about the #Feedback tag and its uses.
Feel free to private message the moderator who moved your post, link to topic for further clarification about why this topic was moved.[/spoiler]
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4 Odpowiedzithank god I didn't rush in trying to open all forges since DLC release and instead waited for a bit and power leveled up before attempting the first one.. the content now is more enjoyable and fluid for me than if I was tryharding it underpowerleveled.. yet still, the way grind is handled is just.. man, do I have to repeat activities I already was doing for previous year just to get a new content? Why did I pay for a new content then? Why did I pay for Niobe Labs, something that can be solved by someone else than me and give me nothing then. I paid for 4th forge, I should have it by my efforts, not thanks to some community event that is impossible even for the best of the best to complete.. I hope that Black Armory was enough of lesson for Bungie so they return to classic expansion pass after this Annual pass and won't ever time/puzzle-gate paid content like this ever again. Also to people who say that Anthem is their savior and something that will beat D2.. 2 things: 1. Just because it looks somewhat promising isn't definitive answer to your wishes. It is made by Bioware, the new, fresh Bioware, that threw over Andromeda and didn't do much good for DA: Inquisition, even tho that one was still solid. 2. Anthem kinda cannot be compared to Destiny, it is a bit different genre with different mechanics. It does have similiraties and definetly stuff that can be better in some ways, but it is also handling a lot of stuff differently from Destiny, so it cannot be "better", only "different" and that difference can be more appealing to people.. like, to me personally Anthem is not attractive at all. I rather like to be FPS sci-fi cowboy than kinda generic exo-suit, I also dislike missing PvP, because that is the playground for replayability and a place to show off the loot you collected and grinded in PvE, it is a very important part of MMO-like games, for me personally. Cannot talk for others, but not everyone is so unsatisfied with Destiny that they would immidiately have to run to Anthem. I just hope that Bungie will learn from D2 and D1 and D3 will be their glory kill instead of another problem, because then.. then they will lose everything, it is their last chance and I wish them luck, for the sake of this universe I came to madly love.
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12 OdpowiedziSince when has Forbes been a gaming journalist site? Why are we (gamers) suddenly paying them [i]any[/i] attention?
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18 OdpowiedziThis wasn't a community event. Its a streamer event that viewers can "help" with by watching and giving comments. A true community event would have been something we can ALL work on in game by playing actual content. Not standing in a room shooting icons to solve some convoluted riddle. Or watching some streamer eat a cheese sandwich while they google King Arthur... Best and Brightest my ass..
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[quote]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2019/01/09/good-morning-destiny-2s-niobe-labs-still-isnt-solved-a-community-event-gone-wrong/amp/ This is a good article (blog) “kindly” summing up the state of this “community event.” I have nothing to add to it other than it’s spot on from my point of view about how Niobe Labs has gone and I accept others may disagree with it. However, the longer this “puzzle” takes, the more this article nails it. It’s unfortunate because I wanted to like the Labs and Black Armory but Bungie seems to be making errors by being out of touch with the majority of its player base. Edit: So Bungie made a content so hard that it’s gone longer than the longest first raid completion and the streamer big names (like Datto) have thrown in the towel because they are burnt out. Who was this for? 99% of players didn’t try it and your streamers have hit the fatigue wall so what happens if the .9% that like this puzzle still can’t do it and this drags on much longer? Finally going to give better hints? Send medical professionals with stimulants to wake the streamers? Edit 2: This isn’t a “community event” for the vast majority of players. I wrote this in another post: “Niobe Lab was just too damn complicated and a bone to help streamers get some money more than giving the “community” a chance to help the event. It would have been better to have all players be able to do something to help open the lab. Like each strike, NF, pvp and raid added points to unlock it similar to faction rally needing points for the win.” Or as someone suggested each forge completion and/or new weapon forged added to a total to unlock the forge. Edit: So as others have posted the info on Bungie twitter, the forge will be unlocked by 2pm Pacific time. Some where some Bungie employee or employees are being talked to about making something too complicated AND linking it to the new forge. If they had not coupled the puzzle to the forge this would be a better event. Edit: Saw this on Reddit. Loved the humor. Zephaus• Jan 9, 2019, 12:48 PM Inside Bungie HQ... "We really shouldn't just unlock it! Think about how hard they've worked." "Yeah, but they're only on level 7." "Well, they'll get thru it soon. Forge could be unloc... - Wait. Did you say only level 7?" "Mmmhmmm.""Well, how many levels are there?" Pulls out large diagram and lays it out on the table. Everyone leans over it and studies it silently for a few minutes. "Okay, so 2pm today?" Edit: I applaud Bungie for doing something new. The issue for most wasn’t the Labs or the difficulty but the tying it to the forge. As it’s own content this did appeal to people that love lore and puzzles. Giving that type of player a brain teaser is great and give them a bragging reward like emblem, ghost, etc would be appropriate. Just like the pvp players get the Luna/NF and PVE players get raid/forge is fair for their efforts and their tastes. Players who are saying those who wanted the forge unlocked are “trash” are YOU actually “helping” or “attempting” the Labs? I would say most likely not because those that love “trashing” others don’t seem like team players by the fact you like to insult others. Bungie should continue to take risks but have a balance. They leap from extreme to extreme. Having the Labs was great and a challenge for players who love that type of content. However the appeal is limited to small percent of players and it doesn’t seem the thing is unlocked as of Thursday morning. Seems like interest to solve this has dropped and people have moved on. [spoiler]Moderator edit: This thread has been moved to #Feedback forum so that other Destiny players can weigh in. [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/139533839/0/0] See Cozmo's thread here[/url] for more information about the #Feedback tag and its uses. Feel free to private message the moderator who moved your post, link to topic for further clarification about why this topic was moved.[/spoiler][/quote] Yup bet the guys at bungie barely read it
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1 OdpowiedźI reckon if there was enough compelling pve content that encouraged investigation and secrets then the community may have been slightly more prepared for this. Normally we just get time gated stuff.
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5 OdpowiedziOh good, another installment in Forbes: Why the -blam!- are we commenting on video games? We used to be a financial publication.
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3 OdpowiedziDevelopers really need to get it through their thick skull that streamers and professional gamers ARE NOT the bulk of the gaming community. Please for the love of gaming, stop listening to streamers for game advice.
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5 OdpowiedziNothing like paying for a DLC so I can WATCH someone ELSE play the effing game.
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12 OdpowiedziI feel like the amount of time it took to create this puzzle could have been better spent to make a dungeon instead.
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3 OdpowiedziEdytowany przez użytkownika Mar: 1/11/2019 8:23:29 PMI feel like somewhere along the line the people making the puzzle forgot that the people solving it didn't have the context of the answer to figure out the solution. Puzzle 1-5 seemed relatively normal and fine, despite requiring you to think to solve it. Puzzle 6 and 7 just seem far far too obtuse. I mean even trying to walk back the from the solution to puzzle 6 it feels like its the answer to a different puzzle and there is very little context about how your supposed to deduce the solution. Puzzle 7 just seems ridiculous, If we're to assume that the only thing you need to solve the puzzle is the info on screen thats just nuts. And to another point this along with some of the raid bosses (looking at you reven) the puzzles and mechanics seem to be overly difficult and obtuse / complicated just for the sake of being obtuse and complicated. There is a point where things being difficult stops being fun for being challenging and just becomes annoyingly difficult, Some of the encounters are crossing that line. In the last wish for example, the first 2 bosses are great, super fun but with a bit of mechanical complexity. Morgeth is slightly more complicated with the stake management but is still kind of fun but is pushing the line. The vault is right about where it gets a tad too much and starts loosing its fun factor. And reven, well there is a reason everyone i see just shoots rockets at it. This community event thing is just kind of the point it boils over in my eyes. Where overly complicated challenging difficulty takes precedent over the activity being fun and its actually burned everyone out. The idea is great, and the spirit behind it is good. We need more things "like" this, where its a puzzle that every and anyone can jump in and try to solve, and to those that can you get the bragging rights in the form of a ghost / emblem or w/e. But Its execution is so poor that it kills the activity. If this was a dungeon like shattered throne but smaller, or a bonus side mission or something like the whisper quest and either had checkpoints every 2 or 3 levels or at least didn't have a timer to input the code I doubt anyone would be angry. Tying it to a forge, having no check points, and the very poorly presented level 6 and 7 puzzles have made the event basically a 1 /10 if not a 0. The idea of the activity is amazing, but they need to avoid doing it in this exact manner again.
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1 OdpowiedźI'm really hoping Bungie is silently rebelling internally against Activision so Activision gets tired of them and offloads them, so they can really get to work on some real content that players want and not what Activision tells them we want. But then again, Bungie may be tired of the whole thing and are trying to sink their own ship since a lot of the original crew have left. These guys are programmers and have (for the most part) done a good job so they won't have problems finding jobs elsewhere and probably more money.
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8 OdpowiedziI get the complaints about the puzzle... I just think the outcry is way overblown. I mean, new content was held back for an entire 24+ hours. Are we really going to lose our minds over 1 day? Especially for content that gets real repetitive pretty fast? In the grand scheme of things, complaining about 1 day for the final forge sounds real whiny/childish. And then to go on and complain that the content held back for the 1 day isn't good anyway...? It reminds me of my 1-year old throwing a tantrum over... who knows what. Again, I agree that they missed the mark. I love the idea of these puzzles. Bungie is trying to throw different types of content at us, and as someone that lamented the lack of good, meaty content up until Forsaken, I applaud their efforts and can somewhat excuse their mistake. I think they took what they did with Outbreak Prime and tried to amp it up a little bit. I like that they finally overshot the mark, in terms of complexity and difficulty. I think that will help them in developing content going forward (a silver lining, of sorts). So yeah... do better, Bungie... but let's review... Is this the end of the world? No Is this the end of Destiny? No Is this the end of Season 5? I say no, but I bet someone could make a compelling argument. Chill.
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1 OdpowiedźForbes always nails it when calling out this Bungie companys bad practices. This article is spot on. Black Armory has caused many players to just quit.
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13 OdpowiedziEdytowany przez użytkownika ibattlemike: 1/10/2019 2:48:59 PMIf I had the time, I could solve this puzzle...but I have a life, lol. I was laughing when people were trying to figure out the puzzle back in D1 that required knowledge of binary. I think bungie can't win. Too many complain about how easy something is...so they make it difficult...then people whine it's to hard...just proof the age and mentality of the this new age...give me everything and expect nothing back.
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3 OdpowiedziSaying " to help streamers get some money" is the biggest bullshit ^^ You have no proof and there is no logical reason why bungie would want to to that xD
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6 OdpowiedziFirst off, I didn't call anyone or anything trash. In a separate thread, I said someone was throwing a tantrum because honestly, they were. They were likening this (putting the fourth forge TEMPORARILY behind a puzzle wall) to not being able to drive a car you just bought, or a surgeon withholding organ transplant.... and then in the next breath saying BA sucks anyway. If that's not a tantrum, I don't know what is. Coming back to our conversation, I did lump you in with that crowd a bit after your first response. If you say that's unfair... you're probably right. Your responses seem to be a little more rational than many on here. I actually did read that article and that's what prompted me to come here to the forums this morning. I usually avoid the forums because, overall, it tends to lean heavily towards 'whining cesspool' instead of productive conversation. I'd be surprised by anyone disagreeing with that statement. Anyways, I thought the article/blog was (as I've tried to describe before) making a big deal out of something that's really not. I won't restate how I feel about BA and the outcry... it's all there in our conversation, and I've tried to explain as dispassionately as possible. I'll go at this from another angle. With the benefit of hindsight, how do you feel about the Last Wish raid unlocking content in Dreaming City? It's really the exact same thing, except we didn't know the content that was kicked off by the Raid. Plus, it was unlocked by a Raid (usually much harder than these puzzles). I'd argue that it was a worse idea to lock content behind a raid completion vs a puzzle. Bungie put outs links for streams when raids first drop, does that mean that only streamers can go for world's first? IMO, the answer to all those questions is, "it's not a big deal, and it worked out pretty well". With the caveat that they missed the mark with the puzzle being too hard, I really don't see much of a difference; and they recovered by unlocking the forge anyway. The forge (the content) was locked only a couple hours longer than when we did this with the raid.
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4 Odpowiedzilook man I'm all for puzzles and shit. but this aint destiny. unless youre a streamer or have 24 hours a day to play youre not getting this done. hows that good for casual players or people that cant play that long. And before someone says I'm a casual I'm a day 1 alpha player. And to even get a lfg group or clan members to stay on for hours and hours to do this puzzle is impossible unless you're a streamer. Seriously believe bungee are catering towards the streamer players root. Don't like the root there taking destiny my opinion of course Total shut show. And don't forget we all paid for this content which is normal players will not complete
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11 Odpowiedzi“What even [i]is[/i] this game anymore?” That about sums it up for me.
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9 OdpowiedziI think it's great that you guys loved the forges so much that not being able to play the new one, which is basically identical to the previous 3, was just too much for this community to bare
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3 OdpowiedziEdytowany przez użytkownika Sanctified N7: 1/10/2019 8:17:48 AMGarbage product. Cancerous developer. Aids infected publisher.
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simple vayámonos @nthem simple por lo menos sera algo nuevo y no tan tan tan tan tan tan tan tan tan tan repetitivo
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2 Odpowiedzi[quote]So Bungie made a content so hard that it’s gone longer than the longest first raid completion and the streamer big names (like Datto) have thrown in the towel because they are burnt out.[/quote] I don't like the event in the first place, but to throw Bungie a bone (see my clan), they very clearly didn't expect it to be this hard.
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5 OdpowiedziThe people who asked for this content to be opened are trash. I would of loved nothing more than to leave streamers to suffer, anxiety attacks, bouts of depression and slipping in and out of high energy comas trying to figure out the shit THEY asked for.
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Everyone is overreacting, 🍼 surprised no one could actually open it and I’m sure they are as well.. more important things to worry about🤔
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2 OdpowiedziBecause of all these impatient from angry players and discouraging comments from streamers with a day Bungie has decided to "let them go to the forge" and "make a kill-and-kill quest to let them have what they want" Wait...WHAT IS THIS ? Is it the reason I do preorder for this game with annual pass? I don't like puzzle game but that it doesn't mean I don't want to know the solution! When Bungie made the announcement they have also made it lost its colour! And seriously, it is a serial of disappointment. Have you, Bungie ever consider to offer any cues for us in the past 24 hours? Now it is just like "you are too angry and we have to keep our company image positive, in this case we unlock it for you" Oh dear...for what point now I should have to do the Niobe forge?
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2 OdpowiedziWell, Bungie just split with Activision. Hoping all the mistakes were in part of Activision.
