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Edytowany przez użytkownika Spawn:
11/13/2018 6:51:08 PM
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Upvote if you think matchmaking needs to change
Solo queing in matchmaking exists but it guarantees and facilitates bad experiences. Whats the point of it if you're pretty much guaranteed to be steamrolled and have a poor experiences. You cant just jump in and play fairly like most solo players would want. Many say deal with it or make a fireteam, which is perfectly fine and true right now.
But why does it exist then? To facilitate bad experiences? Because thats literally all its doing right now in comp and gambit. It might aswell be taken away and made pre fireteam based like trials was. Such a poorly skewed system is just inevitably facilitating bad experiences for a good portion of the playerbase.
A good part of the playerbase are solo players who would like to just jump in to gamemodes like comp and gambit and not have a huge strategic disadvantage against a stack of 3-4. Make a fireteam? Ok thats the way to go. But again theres the question whats the point of solo queue existing? All it is doing is facilitating bad experiences.
I mean you see a few trending posts daily by multiple different users over past months on bad comp matchmaking. This cant be saying there could be a bit of a problem that needs to be looked into at least?
My point is solo queing in matchmaking should not even exist if its going to be so skewed and one sided. Players are going to inevitably have bad experiences and will (some already have) be driven away from the game. Arent bungie struggling with sales? Very poor matchmaking isnt helping at all.
And right now Id say matchmaking and its lack of is the biggest problem/flaw the game has.
Bungies response to make it like this was "to keep matchmaking times short" but do they know they are now sacrificing and driving away a good part of their player base just for (slightly) faster load times?
I mean anyone would take longer load times and fairer experiences over constant short bad experiences.
Why do games like overwatch opt in to have longer load times and fair matchmaking instead of quick?
The solution is to either change matchmaking so that solos are not put up against 3-4 stacks in comp and gambit or make a separate "solo queing only" comp/gambit playlist
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It's really no fun at all. Every game is lopsided either way. I either completely destroy noobs or go against seal team 6. How is that possible? I don't buy it's coincidence that after a number of bad games of all of a sudden I get a super easy game. Always. There's a pattern there.
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1 OdpowiedźJust finished an Iron Banner match that was where we were mercied 15-75. "We're breaking up those team to find a better match" How about not making that one sided match making in the first place. How pathetic are your programmers to make an algorithm that lame? How about instead of hiring people to make EverVerse items more appealing etc and hiring someone who knows how to program a basic algorithm to have fair matches? Put your resources where they're needed and not what will make you the most money. The game is supposed to be fun, instead it's a frustrating experience because of your lack of programming/coding abilities. You should look at your workforce and feel embarrassed about what you've put out. Don't be D1 copy and paste, be better. You have the money and resources. Obviouslt you just need the skilled people.
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Matchmaking is utter and complete shite......getting teamed with people who don't even know how to hold a controller time and time again is frustrating as fukc. Never going to change though.
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2 OdpowiedziPlayed a quick play game last night, started with only 10 people. One team of three, one team of two and the rest of us solo. Ok I thought let's see how teams are set. Puts both fire teams together along with another solo so that it's six v four!!! WTF bungie.....eventually we get two more but it's too late and get stomped. I just can't understand the matchmaking in this game at the moment.
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Wanna also pick my mode!
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Edytowany przez użytkownika TheCyo: 11/14/2018 10:01:12 AMWe've come a long way. It seems it is now required to LFG for quickplay... I still remember when they turned off SBMM to give our streamers easy kills and montage materials. The forum was full of "Oh, finally I do not have to go all sweaty in QP any more and can try funny loadouts". Seems to be what they understood under funny loadouts was Luna and Not.
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Edytowany przez użytkownika ReservoirDogs080: 11/16/2018 10:15:50 PMJust lost a win-streak, because Bungie put me in a Mercy-ruled match (vs a 6-player fireteam) which ended even before I landed. The match after that I was looking at the players in the lobby and I saw one 4-player fireteam, one 2-player fireteam and (including myself) 6 randoms. The match started and guess what ... they put those 2 fireteams together ... How stup!d can you program a videogame? [Edit] Went back to orbit, started Iron Banner and AGAIN I joined a Mercy ruled match which ended before I landed ...
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1 Odpowiedźsolo vs solo, fireteam vs fireteam. That matchmaking we need
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3 OdpowiedziMatchmaking should be thusly: 1. Players gathered by connection first. 2. Skill distributed equitably between teams. Also bring back Rise of Iron pvp mode choice. I just want to play clash if the inclination arises.
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3 OdpowiedziYes, I think any form of SBMM needs to be completely removed from quickplay.
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simple SBMM, and while that is not a thing. don't play
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Wasn't Destiny PvP always more effective when played with a team? I don't remember these 'solo vs stacks' arguments in D1 - ever... There is, however, one significant difference though - SBMM (or lack thereof)...
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13 OdpowiedziMy only gripe in matchmaking is the team compostion. In an all solo lobby the for persons with NF shouldnt never be put into one team. I have seen fireteam of 2-4 being put into the same team against full teams of randoms. I also dont understand why almost every stacked team needs to run their sweatiest loadout instead of maybe trying out a few things.
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3 OdpowiedziI miss sbmm. At least get it a little closer.
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1 OdpowiedźEdytowany przez użytkownika PilksUK: 11/15/2018 1:00:57 PMJumped back into PVP to see how bad it was my last lot of games were not fun super sweaty or just getting stomped.... here is my last game (names hidden due to rules): https://imgur.com/smxEvbd How was that match up even remotely fair?? is the system matching their by the lowest KD on that team?
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Mostly just any team with 5 persons or more needs to be matchmade against teams with equal number of players, and 4 person teams in gambit similarly need to match against other stacks. People are arguing that point is unfair because teams will have to wait longer to find another team. Problem is that it's more unfair to deliberately grant easy wins to stacked teams by consistently matching them against solos. If it's going to be unfair either way, then make it unfair in a way that doesn't break the enjoyability of the game. People choose to play in stacked teams for a competitive advantage. Let them wait for another stacked team so it's a fair match instead of making solo and small team players face against an insurmountable (in most cases) challenge.
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14 OdpowiedziEdytowany przez użytkownika Jibunnokage: 11/13/2018 5:41:24 PMYes, it needs to change, something needs to change. I have almost no friends that will play either Gambit or Crucible now. The elite players, with their dominate skills completely destroy others at a different skill level. The 6x6 teams on maps designed for 4x4 where spawn killing is just too easy, only makes the situation worse. As for those that say, get good, etc., well, you can go sit on a spike and rotate, because the majority of players are not elites, are not highly skilled, and improving only goes so far until you hit a ceiling. This is evident in crucible as it is structured now, where body shots are all but useless, and precision shots almost guarantee success. Even with the rebound of the shotgun gurus, the skill gap remains an issue. When over 90% of my friends refuse to play gambit or crucible, voice how boring it is constantly losing and feeling overwhelmed. Even those of better skills than most, in context, for the few, constantly winning is also boring. The worst issue, IMHO, is that Bungie continues to force players to engage in PvP game modes for quests that other than this artificial requirement, have no logical need for PvP game mode play. Frankly, this ticks off many of my friends that would rather do nothing but PvE and only PvE. I also realize Bungie has no incentive to address this issue, so the mass exodus of core players from Destiny will continue. It is clear that the reduced population of players is a significant issue for SBMM and other related strategies. Those that state that PvP in Destiny is killing PvE aspect of Destiny are not far off, it is happening, as frustration with the current PvP design punishes non-elites. Forsaken, as great as it has been, has been little more than a finger in the dike, slowing the attrition of the core player population. Even Activision recently acknowledged the player core, or base, has been and is disappearing now, admitted this is impacting profitability. Microtransactions are meaningless, if the volume of players is declining. If that is not a wake up call for more PvE content both in Destiny 2 and especially in initial Destiny 3 release, don't know what is.
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4 OdpowiedziThe frequent number of matches with stacks vs randoms definitely needs to be dealt with. On top of that we need the mercy rule back. Once a team falls behind by 50 points END THE MATCH. It's over. The team balance is clearly off. Just end it. (P.S. No, I don't care about the 1 time out of 20 where you came back and how good it felt) it's a waste of everyone's time and makes PvP feel toxic and boring. The amount of times I've been in matches, on either side, where the match ended 150 to 65 is insane. All of those matches were boring. Even the matches I won. On one end your average lifespan is about ten seconds, just long enough to get chain killed by supers, and on the other you're roaming empty halls looking for enemies who only ever show up defeated in the killfeed. It's ridiculous. I have never played a PvP mode, developed by a AAA studio, that so blatantly didn't care about even having the appearance of actual, fair, competition.
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Js I got luna in one day solo you melt
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3 OdpowiedziI think quick play should have a solo que because it's not suppose to be sweaty. Comp is comp and I don't think it should have a solo que. Comp is supposed to.be sweaty and challenging . I do feel that people in the first 3 levels should not be up against people with lunas or .not forgotten .. once someone hits that level they should stay there.
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I'm too exhausted of writing extensive "please change match making" notes to Bungie. They know, and they do not care. They do not have or want to dedicate the resources needed to fix this, otherwise, one would think they would have addressed it in some way. I have zero faith that this will be addressed in D2, and I doubt they will make changes in D3. They'll likely recycle their code, [b]again[/b]. If I'm wrong, I would greatly like to see something mentioned in the TWAB or in a stream. Otherwise, I've just accepted that Crucible is one large crap fest that will never be taken seriously because the developers don't.
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Your gripe is Bungie amd streamers. Join my anti-streamer parade. They ruin everything. Streamers were mad because it took too long between matches and cost them viewers.
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There’s zero skill consideration in Destinys most casual playlists. Doesn’t feel casual to so called “casual” players. Teams rarely match teams. Highly skilled players almost always match and stomp vastly lesser skilled players. Game can’t survive this way.
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In anything considered comp there can be no balance matchmaking when teams are put up against solos.
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1 OdpowiedźIn comp yea. In qp? Nah
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1 OdpowiedźFreelance pvp was a thing in destiny and seemed to be working OK. That being said, p2p pvp has no place in the modern gaming world and bungLe should either go dedicated servers or give up on pvp
