They could put Destiny 2 in a good place simply by changing these few things: [b]1. GET RID OF STATIC ROLLS. [/b]This is the biggest flaw in all of Destiny 2. Bungie must not understand how much time people spent grinding for godrolls. This is a big reason people don't grind strikes anymore. Also, without differing rolls it makes running regular crucible seem less fun because you don't get shit at the end of the game Who remembers the rush of seeing that Matador or Eysaluna pop up at the end game rewards and then nervously checking the roll to see if it was a god roll or not? Good times Bungie says they removed rolled weapons from the game because it was too hard to balance but I seriously don't notice a damn difference. Theres still a meta and if you aren't rocking it then you lose. [u]Getting loot isn't even exciting in Destiny anymore. This is because all the loot is the same. And considering this is a loot game Id consider this a major problem[/u] [b]2. More pvp playlists.[/b] This is something that should've been in the game from the start [b]3. Get rid of Nightfall timer.[/b] Cant even enjoy the nightfall because you are rushed. [b]4. Raid needs to drop gear not tokens. [/b]This is just so stupid. [b]5 Strike exclusives.[/b] I KNOW YOU ALREADY HAVE THEM MADE BUNGIE. You are doing the same played out tactic of taking away something from us and then giving it back to us as if its new. Cant wait for the weekly update with you guys acting like you are doing us a huge favor by putting a strike exclusive for each strike when they should've already been in game Seeing what the Nightfall was going to be was partly exciting because it would mean you could potentially get that godroll Grasp of Malok or Imago Loop. Even when you were max light level you would still want to chase a godroll [u]These 5 things arent even asking for a miracle. Pretty basic changes. Everything else is secondary. The game isn't that far off from being the same as Destiny 1. Its primarily the loot system that's -blam!-ed up.[/u]

This is complete speculation.

[quote]As a developer IRL I think know the serious problem Destiny 2 is facing right now from the dev's end. They threw away so many core features (either due to time constraints or by choice) and took FAR too many risks with overhauling various designs and systems. It ALL backfired and now there's no feasible way to "fix" D2 in a "reasonable player's timeframe". You can't just "patch up" the core issues plaguing D2. The only REAL "fix" to D2 is a complete OVERHAUL BACK to D1 Y3's design (a core release, not expansion) - and that is going to take a LONG time to code. This is the hard truth that the Bungie devs are quietly panicking over and why they've been so silent with the player base. How do you tell a player base of millions that you royally -blam!-ed up, the already-coded DLCs are going to be the same hated design, and it's going to take a year or more to code up the game they expected? If you have the answer, I'm sure Deej and Cosmo would love to speak to you right now. [b]EDIT: [/b]For the record, I’m not defending Bungie. My post is to offer an explanation to the situation D2 is in from a developer’s perspective. Luke’s blatant disregard for player interests and Activision’s restrictive contract are not being overlooked by anyone here.[/quote] From a software engineer perspective, your post is correct. But, consumers aren’t SE’s, they don’t wait for error correction, they bail. Personally, I am not going to reward this attempt at redesigning a wheel. Bungie had a hit game. They systematically and deliberately set out to change what they sold into something no one would buy. They saw success and perfected it into failure. They broke what was fixed! This bassackwards thinking deserves to fail. It is similar to everything they have done in Destiny. Gun works well, destroy it. Super kills well, stop it. Gun poisons over time, remove the poison and the time. Players enjoy this game, fix that. They deserve to fail, and stay a failure. I intend to reward that very lucratively. “No mercy”! TLDR: I loved Destiny and I will walk away!

Yeah, this is absolutely true. I think D2 is a wipe for a lot of players. You cannot undo the crucible with a patch, there's just no way and that's only one of the many issues. I'd return the upcoming DLCs if I could, I know I'm not alone in that.

The problem with Destiny 2 from the Dev's end is, everything is going plan. And that is the real problem.

I'll accept your explanation. Seems logical. Bungie could fix a few of the issues quickly: 1: giving the player the choice of running a timed NF or not 2: picking which PvP mode they want 3: replace tokens with gear drops Just these 3 items would quiet some of the complaints.

You seem to be saying this as if you are pretty convinced that D2 is going to be reverted back to D1Y3, when up until July of this year, Bungie was still pretty sure this was a winning formula. With the lack of transparency for whatever reason, I'm not sure what their plans are either, but this seems like you either know something the rest of the public doesn't, or speculating pretty hard toward a revert back to D1Y3. Are you offering an explanation or prophesying? :)

I agree..Nerf fusion rifles.

The answer is just to reinstate D1 with events and stuff until they can rework d2 and re release it. Even if it was a small fee, like $10 or whatever I would pay it so they don’t lose profit. This game is so bad, it needs to be completely revamped. Or just start work on d3 right and we won’t speak of this abomination. Lol

lol burn baby burn ...... I hope these bastards feel the heat from every gamer for this half arse shit of a game. As someone that pre-ordered this game I have no sympathy for these corporate scum that want to cut corners on a product that I and so many pay good money for

I don't understand why D2 wasn't just a loaded DLC. If their excuse for D1 was old gen hardware was holding them back, what is the fu[b][/b]cking excuse this time? There was really no reason to eliminate three years worth of this games universe to reboot us into another half filled one. Not to mention with the story progression it would have built more things into their existing worlds. Red Legion in the Cosmodrone? Yes please. Red Legion trying to salvage Oryx's ship? Oh hell yes. Red Legion trying to revive Crota or take control of Atheon? -blam!- yes!

I understand the coding issues of D2 at a level unique to coding and I can reasonably imagine the impact that the business end creates for both Activision and Bungie. Growing up there was a constant architectural quote that would be spouted off when I was in high school in the 90's: "form follows function". The core problem of destiny may be coding and how it is received but ignores the fundamental problem itself: coding is relative to what was being envision and the business arrangement is related to what they felt confident in the reception and future of the game. It's a really fancy way of saying "they coded the game on what they felt needed to be coded and made the agreement with Activision on the basis of what they felt reasonably confident in achieving". Quite frankly, they grossly misunderstood and understated their confidence and abilities. Case in point, how much of the stuff in D2 was never asked for that had a pretty volatile and negative impact? We can say Crucible modes, 6v6 not an option, Iron Banner drops, random perks. Not many people were crying or protesting that the current D2 let go of the features above; even the most contentious one with random perks was relegated to how some of the most powerful weapons could be utilized in Crucible such as Feltwinter's Shotgun and BTRD Machine Gun. But this was all manageable with, again, managing what available perks there were or preventing the release of items. From a business perspective, there failures and pursuit of D2 is really something that rests on the lap of Luke Smith as well. There are CEO's that take flak for their decisions and, in many retrospects, Smith has to bare the burden of Destiny and it's fate really. Decisions to change out storylines for D1, while somewhat still a mystery, show and while its a record of note that he has worked on the storyboard of Destiny, my counter question and rebuttal is why is someone who hasn't worked on this type of occupation before taking the helm in story writing as well? That's where the whole "Fire Luke Smith" perspective has to be understood from. To make it more relevant of a point, to start the game with a massive change in storyline, without the input of understanding the basis of complaints and fury from players but to go on and release Destiny 1 & Destiny 2 with everything that was said and done, that's just irresponsible! I know a ton of people were willing to postpone judgement to see if they learned their lessons with Destiny 2 but once Iron Banner rolled, it showed at a fundamentally core and public way they DO NOT understand the players!!! This isn't a coding issue, coding creates the vision the developers want to see but it's not a vision shared vastly with players. We can argue and go back and forth and say "we like this but hate that" and that's all fine and dandy but, thus, why it's such an unforgivable thing for D2. If they knew and were fully aware of the demands being pressed for, why spend time and resources on features we'd come to hate! Why make crucible 4v4 when this wasn't something we wanted and, thus instead of having a core model to work with and improving you spend time and resources making something that isn't exactly loved or wanted? Why create tons of new weapons and add new weapon categories when we weren't asking for it? Why create tons of new items and legendaries that are the same with different surface skins when its the core stats of that piece players tend to to focus on more? I don't want to even get into Rumble... But that's where I think the whole problem is with Bungie and it's relationship with Destiny and why they needed to expand to PC: players on consoles are buying the excuses anymore and now need a new market to exploit. As a matter of technicality, I understand the complexities and near difficulties of an effort on par of a miracle in changing D2. But the problem wasn't the coding it was really the thought process and planning that went into it and to say they've failed is a gross understatement: their inability to really filter productive feedback and irrelevant feedback and instead to isolate themselves to admonishing and ignoring the critical while praising the positive is what got them into this mess. Yes players can be horrible people to and not understand the issues of why things happen but with D2 they had a chance to really look at feedback and say what was helpful what wasn't. That was their choice but they had to expect backlash if they didn't measure up to any standard and Iron Banner broke the proverbial "camel's back" with how many people? Now with Trials, we have another subset of players feeling it too. For the record there are many other games that have walked this same problem and started brand new so it's not unique to Bungie's Destiny: CCP's Dust514, Square-Enix's Final Fantasy 14 and Black Isle Studio's Fallout 1 & 2. In the case of Fallout it took a whole new studio to really redeem the franchise to heights it never enjoyed before where as CCP and Square-Enix went ahead and fired the project leaders who would be effectively Luke Smith's counterparts. SE fired Hiromichi Tanka and replaced him with Naoki Yoshida who was taking a game that had a metacritic score under 50% and had IGN reviews going at 3/10. It's not considered one of the top 5 best current mmo's and it took someone who you can Google and see for yourself all the interactions (bad and good) he went through with the community to promise the game will be better. It's not that FF14 is perfect for everyone but its at the point where people are nominally happy logging on. Dust514 by CCP fired it's lead and the new lead called "CCP Rat" had no one like a Cozmo or Deej, he went on to forums and responded to most of the community and laid his patchwork. Three months in many game detractors were furiously protecting him whenever something needed to be addressed or changed whether it was a bug or something working not as intended. He had the courage to come out himself and explain why they did and what went right/wrong and let everyone know what was going on. We don't get this here, we just get this from Bungie at times: .

“Yea this game sucks” #FreeDabest