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Edytowany przez użytkownika Scratch:
7/10/2017 1:50:10 AM
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Golf Bag?!?!? Locked Loadouts are the POLAR OPPOSITE of a Golf Bag!!!
I recently saw a quote from Bungie describing locked loadouts as a 'Golf bag'
"If you think of your weapons and items as a golf bag we want you to look in your golf bag before you start an activity and go 'Oh,what should we bring to this' "LOL
But that is the complete and total OPPOSITE of what a golf bag is for!!!
What we have now is like having a golf bag. You bring a whole bunch of tools(weapons and gear) and use what is appropriate for the situation. Like having a golf bag filled with clubs. You tee off and drive, then depending where that drive lands you go to your golf bag and select the appropriate iron. If you wack the heck out of your drive, you may need a 9 iron to get your ball on the green. Wiff your drive and you may need a 3 iron. But that's the point of the golf bag, it's why you carry all those clubs. So depending on where your drive lands you have the right tool for the job.
Having a locked loadout is the OPPOSITE of that. It's like taking your golf bag and dumping it out and only bringing one driver, one putter, and one iron. It's saying choose one iron to use BEFORE you drive. It is quite literally golfing WITHOUT a golf bag. You don't know where that drive is gonna land, so you take a 5 iron. Now if you hit it where a 5 iron is appropriate then that's great. But hit it too hard, into 9 iron territory, and you have too much club, wiff it, where a 3 iron is appropriate, and you don't have enough. The 5 iron may be perfect for the first hole, not for the second hole, where you need a 9 iron, or the thrid where you need a 3 iron. How do you pick one iron?
See the golf bag gives you the tools you need for ANY situation.(unlocked) Locked loadouts is throwing your golf bag away!
I don't know if locked loadouts will be good or bad but.... why would you go golfing and only bring 3 clubs???
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Well not if you had a small golf bag that held only 3 clubs.
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I really don't think that scratch understands that only one to two specific activities have locked loadout and only as a hard mode. Think of it as a modifier for a nightfall. REPEAT. THIS IS NOT FOR ALL OF D2!!! AND NO CRUCIBLE HAS IT. YOU WANT A GOLF BAG, GRAB A FRIKIN GOLF BAG!!! This entire thread is chicken scratch. I.E. Stupid.
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You know that only some activities are locked loadouts right? Everything else is that golf bag you have a hard on for
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You are being pedantic, it was a turn of phrase, not a literal expression. You do have a golf bag, and you do have to choose the right tool for the situation, but the situation is the whole activity, and not each moment within the activity.
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1 OdpowiedźNot defending or supporting locked loadouts here, but I just want to point out what bungie was REALLY saying. They are saying your entire aresenal is your golf bag and is fit for every situation, and you select one or two clubs to use for the entire activity. Like using your nine iron the whole time. It's not necessarily a good idea, but that's why you have the rest of your fire team to supply the rest of the clubs. That's the message they're trying to get to you.
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1 OdpowiedźI don't see the issue here? It's just being used as a metaphor... We know the purpose of why you have a golf bag, but what he's saying is what if you could only choose a few clubs from that bag to bring with you for this hole. That's why he says "look in your golf bag [b]before[/b] you start an activity". Obviously anyone in any situation would bring all the tools they need to any situation, but as a challenge you can only choose 3. Maybe you can come up with a better metaphor? I dunno, I don't see what the big deal with this is. Now for those other people being "locked loadouts is just an artificial difficulty!" No shit! Of course it is, it's meant for you to be more strategic and choose the best tools for the job. They also said it will only come up in a specific activity, so likely a modifier or a difficulty setting.
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So if my loadout is a golf bag, Bungie is the caddy who hands me the clubs? "No no sir, this is not way we intend you to play this strike. Use this terrible weapon instead" "T-t-thanks."
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Never thought of it like that. I agree.
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Taking away our choice of what we want to use and how we want to use it and what we want to play was and is a garbage move on bungie development part.
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Flawed analogies. Oh well. I just hope this makes it into crucible (or at least some modes of crucible).
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No the example is more like you can only hit the ball with one club at a time
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Yeah it's as if you were playing golf but the only club you get given is a putter and the course designers put a windmill on the course to make things harder. And to make it worse nobody has vacuumed the astroturf that day. That's the locked loadout vs actual golf metaphor.
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2 OdpowiedziIt's like a golf bag in this way. You have a 9 iron for certain situations, so you reach in for your 9 iron when you know you're a certain distance from the cup. You also have a putter, which is for this specific situation. You will want to have all of the various clubs for the various distances to complete your arsenal. It's the same with Destiny guns, only your perks wont determine if the gun is usable or not. That'd be like a 9 iron not having a handle, so you just have to throw it out. You're still going to want a sniper, a pulse, a hand cannon, a machine gun, a launcher, and so on. Only this time, you know it'll be usable because you won't have to hope the perks on it aren't trash.
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I never understood someone's beef with switching guns during a match anyway so the only thing I can see locked loadouts accomplishing is a specific form of competitive gameplay which is what destiny needs
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1 OdpowiedźI agree this just seems to limit player choice which will make it less fun it just puzzles me I could under if they did this to give us a challenge in story mode but to in pvp etc is just silly before we used sniper for 90% of the game but I change primary and heavy guns a lot.
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16 OdpowiedziI play golf, you are limited to 14 clubs, way back in the day there was no limit to the number of clubs you could have in your bag. Players had ther caddies carrying 2 bags full of all sorts of clubs, a change was required and the limit of 14 was created in 1938. want that 58 wedge but, you didn't bring it.. make due with what you have. break your putter, guess you are putting with a driver or other club of your choice. Just to really drive the point home, a good golfer can take a 5-6 or 7 iron and a putter and par a golf course. hitting the ball 150-180 yards per shot on fairways will reach any green in regulation, you can chip with those clubs as well, you then put with your putter. Its called adapting.
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3 OdpowiedziThis reminds me of my fishing trip last week. It was going to be really hot that day. Over 109. So I planned to go with a friend EARLY morning, get on the lake at sun up, and be off the lake around noon. I have a tackle bag I take with me on full day trips, but I decided not to take it with me because it was a short trip and I wanted to travel light. Instead, I only brought 4 rods rigged with things I had the utmost confidence I could catch fish on (Jerkbait, Top water bait, Football Jig, and and a Plastic worm). These are baits I have SUPREME confidence in and will have no problems catching fish on pretty much year-round on my lake, and I used them with great success two weeks prior. I was with my buddy on his boat though, and he had his full assortment of rods and gear with him. He proceeded to kick my ass with an A-Rig (alabama rig) on these fish we found suspended over deep water. Not having my spare rods/gear or being able to adapt was a lot like having locked loadouts in D2. Did it make my fishing day more challenging? Yeah it did. Was it more fun? Not in the slightest. Not being able to adapt to a situation is just really frustrating.
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Actually Bungie is pushing for team play so if you are running a scramble and each player takes three clubs you should have plenty on clubs for every situation. This is especially true if you have played the course before.
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4 OdpowiedziEdytowany przez użytkownika Slain: 7/10/2017 8:31:19 PMExactly. One could also argue the philosophy of eliminating choice in order to artificially increase difficulty entirely contradicts the investment/collection based nature of the game. Luke Smith smokes -blam!-ing crack.
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1 OdpowiedźAll it does is allows devs to control loadouts If you have a massive assortment of weapons, it's hard to balance. Less weapons that everyone has means that you don't have to balance anything, because everyone has the good stuff and the bad stuff. Year 1 was most balanced when everyone had a Last Word, Thorn, and Felwinters with perfect rolls. Year 3 was the least balanced when a few people had Eyasluna with Rifled Barrel and LiTC / Rangefinder Bungie is just making it easier on themselves to control loadouts, and it's the work of a scrub dev team. People won't complain about balance anymore, but they'll complain about stale loadouts that they have no choice / fun with.
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I'm glad you brought up Golf. Why? Because it's boring as f[i]u[/i]ck to watch. But quite fun to play. Some of the rules, and this is true about any sport, seem dumb, don't make sense or don't seem logical until you play and understand why they're needed.
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Thanks for providing such a great example
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23 OdpowiedziGreat Point Scratch! 2 Times a year at our Men's Golf League we do a 3 Clubs + putter and it is fun and challenging, BUT only for those 2 times!!! If they forced us to use that 'loadout" every time I would have quit that league!
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10 OdpowiedziEdytowany przez użytkownika Sage: 7/10/2017 6:51:03 AMAs someone who enjoys this hobby- I'm gonna have to agree. Can you imagine having to only use a 4 iron and 1 fareway driver? That's it? NOPE! I have a bunch of iron- 2 fareways and a couple Reg drivers myself- along with the tools to clean em up and what not. I'm not just stuck with 2. Lol lol lol Edit And my putters
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46 OdpowiedziEdytowany przez użytkownika Kone19ps: 7/10/2017 5:17:07 PMLol yah this exactly. There is no good way to spin this other than it makes things artificially harder because your adaptability is reduced.
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I had the thought. It more like your playing 9 holes and can only bring three clubs. But it's a scramble.
