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Edytowany przez użytkownika Joker: 10/3/2016 10:16:19 AM
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ToO needs to be a True Skill Ranked Playlist.

Let’s talk about Trials. Now after looking over the forums there seems to be a lot of salt in regards to ToO, and how it’s handled. Some people are suggesting "Playlist Lock Outs", you run you’re 3 games that week and your done. This of course of absurd, people paid for the game, they should be able to play it with their friends. Streams seem to gain popularity by carrying viewers, and people just like elimination. Other still have suggested once you, run flawless you are relegated to a Flawless only playlist, but this, again does not fix the underlining issue with ToO. Many of you would be surprised to know the apparent algorithm according to Bungie for ToO is not based off your skill as a player or even your aggregate skill as a team. It’s not SBMM, or even connection. A couple of games in ToO make this apparent, lag, cheating, and very one sided matches seem to run rampant one moment you’ll 5-0 a team that you had no right playing against, and the next you’ll get 5-0ed against a team that had no right playing against you. The algorithm is based off you’re your ToO card Win’s. This is RNG in a playlist that should be about skill, not RNG. This is ludicrous, for a vast number of reason, including but not limited to; people who have already been flawless playing again, against weaker opponents. Players who wish to boost their Trials Win stats so they play the first 5 games on a card, scrap it get another and play again. And one sided matches. The list really does go on and on and on. The simple solution, a rank the Trials Play List. I’m going to give a dumbed down overview of how this should work. Your ranking is 1-50. This is displayed on your Emblem next to your light and level, if you’re rank 25 for example, the game does everything in its power to find other 25’s. If it cannot find other 25’s then it slowly opens the skill gap in both directions. So 24-26, then if it till has trouble, it keeps moving it till it’s able to find a proper match, connection of course being a high priority. For anyone keeping track this is how bungie handled Halo 3’s ranking. The only problem, I see with matching people based on a ranking system, is the top 1% of players will play one another, opening up the lighthouse for more of the community. Which when you think about it isn't really a problem. EDIT: It should be noted that the point of showing Rank in ToO, is less to denote elitism which, yes it will create, and more to hold bungie to account, with a number we can see at a glance how well the system is working, and hold them to account if it doe not work. Will there be exploration? Like there was in Halo 3, yes but under Bungies guidelines that is cheating, and should be handled accordingly.

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  • So you want me to play against 43s all the time???? Hell nawh...

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    • Trials is fine as is, either revert back to y1 or leave it with progressively more difficult matches as you move up. Make all 9 games sbmm and nobody makes it to the LH as every game is sweaty and you won't win the 7 in a row w boons that you need. Trials is meant to be beat by the best and it's honestly not that bad as of right now. Just wait until it becomes all sweats in a month or two. However, all of the other regular playlists should do what you suggest I think.

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      • Everyother playlist has sbmm, its aids. Why do people want trials to have it....?

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      • It would be ten times more sweaty. The whole card would be sweaty instead of the last couple games.

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      • I don't know about these algorithms but there is an easily recognizable pattern in the wins/losses with this matchmaking. This is coming from someone who plays crucible on a weekly basis. [spoiler]If you had a negative KD you'd be skewered for this post. Other ppl have said many of the same things you are saying and are completely shit on. [/spoiler]

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        Going flawless is meant to be difficult. Taking the good players out of it by ranking it defeats the point. Just practice and get better.

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        • I agree it should be for the skilled pvper, one of which I am not. I had no desire to do trials so thank bungie for adding it to the book and forcing all us scrubbies to play. I hate it.......just saying 😕

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        • I understand that ToO is SUPPOSE to be matched up where undefeated teams play other undefeated teams. However, I've been in my 5th game and faced an 8-0 team because the screen said after the match they were victorious. I've also been on my 9th match and played a 2 loss team because they were kicked out after we won. I've had runs where every team was a joke and easy to beat and others where the first 3 matches were against insanely good players. There needs to be a tweak to ToO but I don't know what you could do without pissing a lot people off. I enjoy the difficulty of it though.

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        • First off, trials isn't about "skill" like ranked playlists are. Osiris want people who never lose. That means playing anyone and beating them, not playing your own skill level and winning. Want to be a champion of osiris? go up against anyone and come out victorious. However I Would like to see social and ranked playlists in this game, but not as trials. Just like it was in halo where you could choose and trials should be on the weekends.

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          • They should be very familiar with this... It's the Halo system

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            • See it's the people who refuse to get better that post stuff like this. I used to suck when trials first came out In HoW. Partially because I didn't play destiny much then , what did I do ? I practiced when ttk came out and within a week of trials returning I had gone flawless and then kept doing so several times every weekend . I played people I knew had gone flawless and won as I went to the lighthouse. You want to water down the experience of trials for the people not as good. You don't learn by playing your own skill level . You learn by playing people better than you . Trials is endgame content meaning it takes a higher level of communication and approach to be successful in. It is not for everyone . Getting to 5 or 7 wins already nets the same armor or weapon ( weapon just having a different paint job and no intrinsic perk ) . No more changes . Unless the people who play in this new regiment of "Flawless vs Flawless" contend for rewards that the other playlist does not receive.

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              • Sorry but trials is cbmm+card based matchmaking.. if you're gonna make a post at least get the facts right.

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                • Edytowany przez użytkownika Red October: 10/5/2016 3:59:36 PM
                  This whole pvp system is flawed and a pile of steaming failure added on most likely towards the end. No latency control. No dedicated servers. Poor hit detection in some cases. A meta, any game with a meta is a sign of pvp failure in my eyes. the whole system needs to be reworked from the ground up. Edit: Shotgun hunter, he pops blade dancer, punch him, punch him again...and I die. Really? are you kidding me? Oh, and shotgun blast a dude point blast? acts like it was a long range shot. At this point I truly wonder if they just forsake the pvp and are reworking it for D2.

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                  • This is the worst idea ever. These means getting into Lighthouse would about luck for even the top1% of players. The point of ToO is that it's about skill (which you probably don't have too much): not RNG or any variable other than your and your teammates' skill...

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                    • That actually sounds brilliant

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                    • Im not a elimination player, but i can spot a flaw in this. I never played halo 3 compared to the OG players, but im familiar with the skill system. I read sone stories of some players that ranked high close to 50 ran across blatant cheaters like lagging or any other method. The reason why is might be trying get that rank 50 that they didn't deserve for 'bragging rights'. The rank system is there, but would this make trials even more infested with players gunning for that top rank and even do 'ANYTHING' to get it? Just asking. Even without the problem above we can have skill ranks, but how does the matchmaking work with teamates of different skill levels? A low skill player and a high skill player? Would the team be matched based on the player with the highest rank, or will it be like the current matchmaking?

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                    • Idk i ran into a couple of good games when the game would end 4-5 or 5-4 it was intense games but more fun this time around

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                    • Can't wait to do account recoveries if this ever happened

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                      • Trials is incredibly flawed, let me tell you a story. [spoiler]This past weekend my buddies and I went into trials for our 5 passage completions (for the ROI book thing). Our goal was to lose as quickly as possible. We ended up winning games on each passage, by accident. We won a match with no kills.[/spoiler]

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                      • Let's face it... You're a baby. You want easy rewards but without putting in time, effort and practice others do. Acceptance is the final stage of grief. It appears you're going through the denial phase.

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                        • Worst idea ever. So the kids who suck just get a free pass smashing noobs? I don't think so. Quit crying and grind like everyone else.

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                          • So sort of like a prestige level. Maybe you would get a certain emblem every time you went up 10 levels or something. Maybe ill draw some concepts for what the prestige's would look like sometime.

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                            • Edytowany przez użytkownika Fog: 10/5/2016 2:54:19 AM
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                              No it shouldn't. That's like having a raid that is always 15 light above you... yeah it'd be fun at first but after a while it would get really old. No point in trying to better anything if things will just get harder.

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                              • I'm laughing as I read all of these comments trying to say that your idea is stupid. They are all saying that if we can't play well enough that we don't deserve it. Let me pose a question all of you negative Nancys. So all of you trials elitists that think no one is entitled to visit the light house if they can't earn it bitch and complain whenever we bring up the idea of locking you out of trials or putting you in a separate playlist once you receive flawless saying that its not right to prevent someone from using content that they payed for. Well from our perspective being matched up against someone who does nothing but farm out flawless runs and is way above our skill levels does exactly the same thing. It is preventing us from accessing content that we payed fr as well. The only reason you guys don't want anything done to trials is because you want to keep stomping on all the little people and not have to deal with actually competing against someone at your level and possible not making it all of the way to the lighthouse without breaking a sweat. So lets compare this to something else, like a raid for example. What would happen if Bungie all of the sudden went and raised the light requirement for the last boss enough to make every enemy there either immune to our damage or take 5% of what we can currently do and have no way to raise our light higher without completing it. Seems impossible doesn't it. Thats what alot of the players that are weaker in light and skill probably feel when they want to play something like trials. Back to my point now, how would all of you feel if you were in that position? Its situations like this that are why people wish to reform some parts of Trials, so as to give those of us who have other priorities and don't have time to practice like streamers who don't have a job in the real world or kids and teens that have way to much free time on their hands. We want to go to the lighthouse just as much as you do but because we have a fraction of the time to play that you do we don't have the gear, the light levels, or the practice to compete and thus need to be matched other players at our level. Thats what a competitive system is, you get matched against equally skilled players so you have just as much chance as winning that you do losing. Whereas the current system that trials employs is more likely to make an imbalanced match where one team is much better than the other and just slaughters the weaker team.

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                                • If youve gone flawless either on chara ter or account for that weekwnd then you should be on an exclusive matchlist with other flawless teams

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                                  • No. The lighthouse shouldn't be obtainable to terrible pvp players. That's not competitive, and would eliminate the prestige of going flawless. Pvp needs one game mode (which is trials) that has a competitive elimination challenge. To open up the lighthouse to where someone with a .2 k/d can go there is ridiculous. I don't know any competitive game or sport where the worst teams can still win the big prize.

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