While I don't think it should be "impossible" per say but it does seem to happen [b]Way More[/b] than it should. I don't know if they could do it but make it to where the reticle doesn't auto correct itself after the flinch? Fix the Comitatus Bug!!!!! ;)

[quote]That [b]RIGHT THERE[/b] is the fix snipers need.[/quote] Snipers don't need fixed. And they already got nerfed. If you got killed, someone has better accuracy and reflexes. Unlike shotgunning, sniping takes more handskill. Shotgunning is all about positioning. And shotguns already got nerfed. There has to be aim assist in a fast pace console game. All guns have aim assist. It compensates for the inaccuracy/inconsistency of console controllers.

Most in the community agree. Snipers have complained and nerfed all that competed with them. Should be their turn next. I think it will. They couldn't change much when the main mechanics in parts of the current raid, had you sniping from 10 ft away. But with new dlc/raid, I hope different scope mechanics(not allowing close range hard scoping) and added flinch will be put into the mix.

Here's another fix: stop complaining about it. Whenever I die from a sniper, I admit that I got outplayed and find a better pvp tactic

Thing is there's nothing Bungie can do to sniper rifles without it affecting PvE. I've seen many good suggestions from the community that would decrease the snipers effectiveness in PvP, but they all have a downside that would affect PvE. My suggestion...... Leave all current sniper rifles as they are and have them only be equipable in PvE . Have PvP only snipers with scope sway when A.D.S., crouching decreases scope sway, hold breath to eliminate scope sway for 3 seconds.

I think a good step would be to add increased flinch multipliers for when you're ADS'd with Sniper Rifle Scopes, and to remove reticule recentering from Sniper Rifles in specific. Flinch would become extremely difficult to deal with, and the lack of reticule recentering would force flinch correction on you which would require a severe amount of thumbskill to compensate for..For the most part, trying to engage someone with a Sniper Rifle while you're getting shot would be [i]almost[/i] impossible. Boom, hire me Bungo.

Have you never heard of "eye of the storm"?

How to fix sniper rifles in one easy step. Step 1. Make it so that if you get shot whilst ADS, it pulls you out of your scope. Just like Halo. Edit; everyone thinks I am anti-sniper. I'll have everybody right now understand that the only time I shotgun is when I warlock as they're best suited to it. If you look at my average stats and characters, you'll see that my warlock is my worst class and least played. I am not anti-sniper in anyway I use them more than any other special. I just simply agree with the OP. Being able to hit clean head shots whilst under fire is utter bullshit.

I have found snipers to be less and less of a problem by simply changing the way I play. It would be nice if the body shot damage was lowered drastically. That would stop the body shot + TLW QuickDraw kill method.

It is impossible already. You would flinch and miss your shot if hit in the head at the same time you shoot. What happens is that you can time the recovery of the flinch in between your opponent's shot and get off a shot in between. These sniper threads are beyond old. Every gun in the game can time shots between flinching. Every gun in the game recenters itself after being flinched. Every gun in the game can return fire when being shot at. People want all kinds of crazy things to apply to snipers that don't apply to any other gun. This is how you fix snipers fairly and sensibly. Make them all bolt action like NLB with varying rechamber times (longer for high impact, lower for low impact, etc) and give them all sway with a hold breath mechanic. Done!. Stop with the other nonsense that people want to make it all but impossible for a sniper to even get a shot off like descope or flinch to infinity.

How to fix snipers: Step 1. Leave them as is. Step 2. Get good. Snipers are good as is. The problem is how people go about trying to counter them. I like to snipe and I kill a lot of snipers using a SR too. I think easily half of people's complaints about being unable to counter snipers with SR's is due to the fact that most people have a tendency to stand still while firing their SR back at the sniper. ANY decent sniper should hit you if you are standing still, regardless of flinch. PERIOD. You are just too easy of a target. If you are firing back at a sniper with anything other than a sniper rifle, you need to be circle strafing, and even more than that, vary your circle strafing so you are not predictable (not moving your left stick only clockwise or counter clockwise. You also need to hit EVERY SINGLE shot to keep them flinching. Miss once and you could be dead. Finally, even if you do this, there are no guarantees. You could still get killed. Sometimes the deflection may actually cause a headshot because the deflection caused the reticle to pop up just right where the sniper was scoped on your face, and at that point it is just a quick-twitch moment to get a head shot. Sniping is part of the game, and as one poster below showed, shotguns are actually more heavily used than snipers in a majority of PVP modes outside of Trials. Also, when will you people just stop? Seriously, you complain when people hardscope. You complain when people quick twitch/quick scope. Make up your minds because many changes people keep proposing for the weapon will either force people to be quick-scopers almost exclusively OR encourage even more hardscoping. If not either one of those two, then it will negatively impact PVE. Imagine trying to finish off Golgoroth with all the taken causing damage to you initially before someone pops hammer/foh/novabomb/(insert minion control), or trying to snipe 4th ogre and knight while the eye of acolyte is shooting at you from below the platform. The problem isn't the weapon, the problem is that this game has become largely PVP focused and more people are practicing their sniping abilities so they can compete in trials, where if you don't snipe, you die and you lose. This means there are more people practicing to become competent snipers, meaning the average skill of most snipers has increased since launch of TTK. This doesn't mean you should just accept getting domed over and over and over again in PVP. Just smarten up, use your head, your grenade, your special melee, blink, and whatever weapons you bring into battle and figure out how you can use those successfully. But most certainly if you see a red glare looking at you, its too late to start fighting back. Get back in cover, work the cover, and re-engage on more favorable terms. Most of all, remember this, due to lag, differentiation in player skill, even dumb luck, will cause you to lose some encounters when you do EVERYTHING RIGHT. That's just the name of the game. You're in there to kill other players who are also there to kill you. And they will kill you. So just let it go already.

Don't challenge snipers in sniper lanes. Snipers SHOULD win duals in sniper lanes, especially if you try to battle them at head level. High impact scouts (or normal scouts) are FANTASTIC for countering snipers. Don't challenge them from "tradional" sniper lanes. Snipers are NOT broken or over used. In fact, shotguns are used more than them in EVERY playlist except trials. And in the competitive scene, the useage is even higher. Actual numbers of shotgun vs sniper useage https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/210400558/0/0