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Edytowany przez użytkownika Mickey Joystiqs: 7/7/2016 4:55:44 PM
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Trials Of Osiris RUINED

Trials Of Osiris, was a place for teams to compete in elimination against other teams to try and get prizes and 9-0 cards. Where honestly people had a chance to win with a decent amount of skill. People would team up and work together and no quit. Now it's turned into nothing but Twitch streamers carrying, lack of SBMM or CBMM, and breeds an insurmountable amount of hate and hostility towards each other as players. The numbers don't lie there has been a significant drop in new people making it to the light house. It's a consistent same "Sweaties/tryhards" who smash anyone in their path to make it to the lighthouse and then continue to do it for fun. You have people PAYING MONEY to get carried to the light house cause it's so hard to do now with the way it's set up. Year 2 trials is an absolute horrid monster and needs to be slain. Now with this Destiny Trials Reports people are being SHUNNED by others for ELO and stats, and you, Bungie!, who nerfed Gjallarhorn because you didn't like the divide in the community have SHOWCASED this cancer that destroys the community more than anything else you've done to the game has. Trials is no longer fun. It's no longer a challenge. It's a horrible slog that it near impossible to reach the end. SBMM/CBMM is non existent factor that should be implemented as players who have struggled to get where they are go against people who have a breeze to get to the same win and then the players who struggled are knocked back down to peg one to start over or get lagged out. Trials is no longer a friendly community rivalry game mode but a place where people can make money? It's corrupt and breeds hate amongst player base. The top stay at the top while the bottom cannot move up at all. Please fix trials. Go back to Year 1 or make a better formula. Trials is not where you want it to be, and you cannot let it get worse. Please fix Trials. EDIT: Wasn't aware that SBMM wasn't included in Trials. Which is kinda of dumb as again being a team who struggled to get to 5 wins playing against a team who had a breeze getting to 5 wins is still bad. EDIT 2: Not attacking streamers who stream the game, moreso streamers who get paid to carry/carry in general. You're ruining the game mode even more by carrying. EDIT 3: A bracketed rank would be more than ideal as that's how pretty much every other shooter does with their "competitive" game modes, thank you to people in the comments posting their ideas, I appreciate it a lot. And to the people who are against this, all I have to say is "why?" Why would you be against more players having a chance? What's wrong with that? If you're good now, that's not going to change. It'll still be "hard" as you claim it should be. It'll just be a more personalized challenged to you and your team. So why are you against it? You say you're amazing and that it's supposed to be hard and challenging and "not meant for everybody" but how is it hard when you face a lot of teams not even close to you? Scared that when push comes to shove you'll fold? Just wondering tbh... EDIT 4: Never said I personally could not make it to 5 wins. That was used as an example as to why the playing against someone with the same wins isn't as fair as you'd think. And by the way, artificial difficulty, isn't a challenege. It isn't competitive, it's something you're making up to be hard to justify it. Again there is NO reason you should be against changing trials for everyone. The game is 2 years old with the final expansion on its way. It's not a hardcore game in any sense of the word, just let everyone have a chance to get to the light house, and as someone commented below "the real scrubs will fail regardless". Also btw, saying that its supposed to be hard and not for everyone, but then saying carries are okay, should probably leave the post cause you're being very hypocritical. Also this "practice practice practice" mentality isn't always the answer. If you can't even have a chance to put what you've learned to the test and see where you went wrong, Again there is absolutely NO REASON for you to be against this. Even if you don't like SBMM then even CBMM would be better. EDIT 5: Forget to mention something. The current meta, i.e HROF Pulses or Autos/Snipers for the most part. Before in Trials, I could use almost any weapon I wanted to as long as it wasn't complete trash, Suros, Red Death, maybe an Invective for fun. Maybe a slow hand cannon with high impact, you get where I'm going with this. You could have weapon diversity and again, compete. You're competing with other people with YOUR personal favorite guns and set up. But now it's the same everywhere. The meta is also currently killing trials slowly, what happened to really testing your mettle with the weapons and set up you bonded with? Why does the new meta have to be the new meta. Is your chant of "git gud" also "get the same weapons everyone else is using" ? This isnt' going away for three days straight this post has gotten attention from a LOT of people. Keep replying for or against, whatever. This WILL get noticed by Bungie, and WE WILL as a COMMUNITY seek changes.

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  • When I started playing Destiny, I was godawful at PvP. I averaged at about 4 kills a game, and my KD was less than 0.6 . Then I heard about a new expansion coming out that contained a brand new PvP game mode called "Trials of Osiris". Now, my merry band of followers and I couldn't wait to jump in and achieve the ultimate victory. The first weekend Trials was available, my fireteam flew into the Burning Shrine, all hyped up. Our first game we got 5-0ed. Our second game, we got 5-0ed. This pattern continued all weekend, spanning across 15 cards. Each round was a massacre, and it felt amazing to even win one. The next week, we loaded into the Black Garden, to fight on Pantheon. We started winning a game here and there, and it felt amazing, eventually managing to get 5-0 consistently. We played trials almost every weekend until a few days before the Taken King arrived. I logged into Destiny at 1:00 and joined my buddy's fireteam. We soon found out that it was the worst map known to guardians: Black Shield. We knew this weekend was going to be a pain, but I was hoping to grab the Scholar. We played a few cards, managed to get 6-0 before getting pubstomped. We quit for the night, and the next day we vowed to complete a card, even if it was 9-2. To our amazement, we actually managed to go 9-0, without losing a single game. We were so excited to fly into Mercury and open that massive chest. We flew into the reef for the last time in Year 1, proudly wearing our new exotic emblems. My point is that you have to really enjoy doing trials to get better, and you won't go flawless immediately. My fireteam and I still lose games quite often, but we occasionally go flawless, and in no way are we tier 1 players.

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    • You lost me at "people had a chance regardless of skill". This community is full of people feeling entitled to certain loot. ToO is suppose to be a trial of your skill. Why dumb it for below average pvp players to achieve something that they don't deserve just because they feel entitled. You must be a fan of the everyone gets a trophy in sports too. They already changed it up so the weaker pvp players can easily get packages just by participating (which they shouldn't get). Iron banner is the place for the weaker players to achieve pvp loot. Stop crying for SBMM, it isn't going to happen in ToO.

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      • Trials is stupid, it was made so guys could find out who has the biggest cock, well I do

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        • ULTRABUMP

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        • Didn't read that horrendous wall of text. [spoiler]Muted.[/spoiler]

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        • Edytowany przez użytkownika sharkhunter81: 7/7/2016 7:54:04 PM
          So because I don't have two sweaty guys to run with every weekend, I can't go to the lighthouse. Wtf is that? Nerd Privilege? It's always the same small group going every week. Yes you! You silly snowflakes. But if it weren't for people like me and the randoms I run with every week, you be playing teams similar to you to 9-0 cards. Could you? No! You couldn't, or at least not as much and sure as shit, not as easy. You need mediocre players in there to get where you need to be. But you make it sound as if we should all be grateful that "you" let us even try. -blam!- yall!

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        • I've only been playing trials for 6 months and been flawless only one time because I got luck to get a 3.5 kd slayer on my team.. If they want to expand trials they need to make it so new trials players have a chance to learn !! LISTIN BUNGIE we need a tier system !! It will benefit all players alike and bring new players in

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        • Edytowany przez użytkownika ruppettypuppetty: 7/7/2016 12:25:17 PM
          Ok, what I don't get, is that yes whilst bracketing the player base in the hopes of fairness, you'll still have the issue of lag and latency affecting the matches. That's unavoidable imo. Secondly each of those brackets will seem sweaty respectively to those within the bracket. Ok so maybe not as much, but still. The other thing you've yet to factor in, is the stupid amount of people making fake or second accounts with comparatively average kds compared to their original or main account in order to have easier match ups, that would still happen,and you'd still get matched against players that secretly have a 2+ Kd but are playing on an account with a 1 Kd. Meaning you're playing a guy or team that are twice as good as their stats reveal. I have a 1.8 trials Kd, it's happened to me. As it stands, I don't think everyone "deserves" to go to the lighthouse, regardless of the rules or parameters imposed it should be earnt through a mixture of skill and good teamwork. Who you are matched against simply can't be based on your win count, or skill based as it allows a flood of bad connection ruining the match entirely. I'd rather get smashed by good connection and a good enemy team, regardless of skill level, than have 3 1.3 kd red bar warriors lagging and teleporting across the map that I would have otherwise beat if it weren't for the broken matchmaking at play right now. Just my opinion.

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          • those who have an issue with brackets and in the same breath tell you to get better are simply no wanting change to make it just as difficult for them to achieve. They don't want to play teams of equal skill, they want easy.. funny.. all the "skrubs" want is equal ability and the "elite" want easy.. whos the skrub now?

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            • [quote]Trials Of Osiris, was a place for teams to compete in elimination against other teams to try and get prizes and 9-0 cards. Where honestly people had a chance to win with a decent amount of skill. People would team up and work together and no quit. Now it's turned into nothing but Twitch streamers carrying, lack of SBMM or CBMM, and breeds an insurmountable amount of hate and hostility towards each other as players. The numbers don't lie there has been a significant drop in new people making it to the light house. It's a consistent same "Sweaties/tryhards" who smash anyone in their path to make it to the lighthouse and then continue to do it for fun. You have people PAYING MONEY to get carried to the light house cause it's so hard to do now with the way it's set up. Year 2 trials is an absolute horrid monster and needs to be slain. Now with this Destiny Trials Reports people are being SHUNNED by others for ELO and stats, and you, Bungie!, who nerfed Gjallarhorn because you didn't like the divide in the community have SHOWCASED this cancer that destroys the community more than anything else you've done to the game has. Trials is no longer fun. It's no longer a challenge. It's a horrible slog that it near impossible to reach the end. SBMM/CBMM is non existent factor that should be implemented as players who have struggled to get where they are go against people who have a breeze to get to the same win and then the players who struggled are knocked back down to peg one to start over or get lagged out. Trials is no longer a friendly community rivalry game mode but a place where people can make money? It's corrupt and breeds hate amongst player base. The top stay at the top while the bottom cannot move up at all. Please fix trials. Go back to Year 1 or make a better formula. Trials is not where you want it to be, and you cannot let it get worse. Please fix Trials. EDIT: Wasn't aware that SBMM wasn't included in Trials. Which is kinda of dumb as again being a team who struggled to get to 5 wins playing against a team who had a breeze getting to 5 wins is still bad. EDIT 2: Not attacking streamers who stream the game, moreso streamers who get paid to carry/carry in general. You're ruining the game mode even more by carrying. EDIT 3: A bracketed rank would be more than ideal as that's how pretty much every other shooter does with their "competitive" game modes, thank you to people in the comments posting their ideas, I appreciate it a lot. And to the people who are against this, all I have to say is "why?" Why would you be against more players having a chance? What's wrong with that? If you're good now, that's not going to change. It'll still be "hard" as you claim it should be. It'll just be a more personalized challenged to you and your team. So why are you against it? You say you're amazing and that it's supposed to be hard and challenging and "not meant for everybody" but how is it hard when you face a lot of teams not even close to you? Scared that when push comes to shove you'll fold? Just wondering tbh... EDIT 4: Never said I personally could not make it to 5 wins. That was used as an example as to why the playing against someone with the same wins isn't as fair as you'd think. And by the way, artificial difficulty, isn't a challenege. It isn't competitive, it's something you're making up to be hard to justify it. Again there is NO reason you should be against changing trials for everyone. The game is 2 years old with the final expansion on its way. It's not a hardcore game in any sense of the word, just let everyone have a chance to get to the light house, and as someone commented below "the real scrubs will fail regardless". Also btw, saying that its supposed to be hard and not for everyone, but then saying carries are okay, should probably leave the post cause you're being very hypocritical. Also this "practice practice practice" mentality isn't always the answer. If you can't even have a chance to put what you've learned to the test and see where you went wrong, Again there is absolutely NO REASON for you to be against this. Even if you don't like SBMM then even CBMM would be better. EDIT 5: Forget to mention something. The current meta, i.e HROF Pulses or Autos/Snipers for the most part. Before in Trials, I could use almost any weapon I wanted to as long as it wasn't complete trash, Suros, Red Death, maybe an Invective for fun. Maybe a slow hand cannon with high impact, you get where I'm going with this. You could have weapon diversity and again, compete. You're competing with other people with YOUR personal favorite guns and set up. But now it's the same everywhere. The meta is also currently killing trials slowly, what happened to really testing your mettle with the weapons and set up you bonded with? Why does the new meta have to be the new meta. Is your chant of "git gud" also "get the same weapons everyone else is using" ? This isnt' going away for three days straight this post has gotten attention from a LOT of people. Keep replying for or against, whatever. This WILL get noticed by Bungie, and WE WILL as a COMMUNITY seek changes.[/quote] 100% agreed they need to make tiers bronze silver gold platinum. Every week it resets once you go to light house on bronze your in the next tier ect ect .. That way we have a more definable learning curve that players can still strive to complete tOo in the platinum tier where the top 3% will end up each week

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            • It really is always the same streamers or try hards. I've gone flawless many times but it's annoying and just weird out of all the people who play the game I ALWAYS, without fail, play against the same people every single time.

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            • I'm a streamer with average stats who brings on average ten people flawless for their first time every weekend. Why am I cancer for helping carry people. Everything is done by raffle and no money is EVER charged in my stream. We don't do recoveries like other streamers do (as I find that to be a form of cheating). So offering my services makes me cancer for helping people for free. Maybe you should take part in these free services that some streamers offer if you want that lighthouse run. Being salty that you can't get passed the fifth game isn't going to do you any good. I'm no elite player in any sense (1.3 KD) but I do feel that maybe you are playing with the wrong team if you're trying to go flawless.

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              • Twitch.tv/bassmankm for carry ;-)

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              • Gotta risk it to get the biscuit....

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              • reasons i only do trails is for the bounties and because my one friend is a pvper mostly and also im not good at pvp to begin with so i dont really try pve is the area i like better

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              • I was lucky to get flawless in the second week of trials. I'd love the other emblems for collection sake but just getting past 5 wins now is painfull enough! Now I just do the bounties with no aim at getting far enough to see the lighthouse again.

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              • To everyone that says the light house is for a select few and it should be elite only, i can agree with that but ITS BROKEN!!!! Trials is not what it was 7 month's ago, its an entirely new beast of professionals that are making bank. its broken when the only way in is with !raffle, a subscribe, and a cash donation. its broken when new players get the skin peeled off them with shot guns before even seeing their opponent and the community just says get good, its broken when they get good and they still need to subscribe, donate, and !raffle. its broken when only elites play with people who are elite or donate. TRIALS IS NOT FOR THE ELITE ONLY IT IS PAY TO WIN NOW! thats the problem! professionals are trolling new people into the ground and out of existence. the more this continues the less new players trials will see. everyone thinks ROI will make it easy but it wont. those new player will not play trials, not with the reputation it has. they might try it once and go 0-3 with boons try a few more cards get no loot waste a bunch of time and just give up entirely. if you have a son or daughter watch them play trials and watch how much fun they are having on a terrible losing streak, listen to the conversation from their teammates. one day it will be so bad people who find them selves saying they would never pay to win will consider it. the less noobs you have the more pros youll get, your circle of opponents with diminish to only carry pay to win streamers, the more we cry for SBMM the more harder it will be for you. the future of crucible is not looking good in its current decline. it is VERY BROKEN! and one day youll feel the sting to. we are not all MLG pros and we cannot stay at that level of excellence forever. everyone gets old.

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                • you are bad, please get good

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                  • It's all the scrubs who ruin it

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                  • I love the idea of trials, and I feel like it should be difficult in the way that it should actually take team work to get to the lighthouse. I've been playing trials for the past 2 months, I've never made it to the lighthouse. The only reason this is upsetting is because I've never played a match where no one has a red bar. Trials should keep you in the edge of your seat, it should be really intense, loud, and fun. Not annoying because you are constantly running into ppl who will not take enough damage to kill them, because they are lagging horribly

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                    • Some simple questions to all the defenders of the status quo: Let's say we have someone who recently just bought Destiny and has his first character on Level 40 (let it be Striker Titan - lucky bastard), has done the KFR in HM and has some ok gear. He enjoys doing the regular Crucible bounties and can hold his own (most of the time positive KD). Now he thinks, hey I could try ToO, sure it is fun too. What do you think is his opinion of this game mode after the first 20 games with this LFG team and being crushed, stomped, routed in 30sec rounds 5-0 matches? Do you think he will continue playing it? Do think the game mode can get any new players into it as it is currently setup? Or will it bleed players like it is doing now and will devolve into an inbred "competitive" mode for the few?

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                      • Trials is full of badkids unless I match people on my friends list lol. Can easily go in with anybody on my friends list, in a party or not and easily glide through trials, tbagging idiots along the way

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                        • Okay, If you're this upset about it I'll help you get to the lighthouse... Just please don't cry for more SBMM. Trials is the only safe place that's left.

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                        • What if every 9 or so wins got everyone to lighthouse I think everyone would be happy but that would mean unlike 9 and 0 and everyone would call it stupid probably but the lag is the issue because it doesn't make it a square fight it put people in a position where money is more important for service to be reliable and the truth is there is always some way for cheaters to cheat if the average person has an extra dollar for a magic show and what is the world coming to caring about going to the lighthouse so much if yall seen someone standing on a corner saying I could magically make someone disapear for a buck would you really think they were a good person and hand them the money not knowing if you'd ever see them again ?

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                        • It'll get easier when RoI come out, more people will play and act as cannon fodder

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                        • Are you listening bungie......? Are you willing to step in and save trials. Are you willing to give us even an incling of hope that there is plans in the works or that you are even considering other options. Or are you going to continue to let it rot until Roi comes out and hope this goes away. Surely you guys at bungie feel our pain can see the same stuff we do, get frustrated playing like we do, are sick of trials like we are. Please listen to some of the ideas from both sides of the argument and let us know if anything sounds good or viable we do not expect promises. ✌

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