Im sorry but defender only needs a melee buff, hate me all you want but defenders have awesome perks, grenades are awesome and the bubble is great for holding ground if you are good at it like I am. I don't feel it needs a buff anywhere else

[quote]1. First of all why are their non defender players coming in here thinking they can say "oh the defender doesn't need a buff, the only reason the defender sucks is because people suck" you know why everyone looks good now of days? It's because everyone's sniping and they think on I'm good because I can aim a weapon in the head and switch to last word when I'm getting rushed 2. Second the defend can be shut down by almost all the supers. Nova Bomb, Titan smash, golden gun, hammers and sunsinger grenades can shut em down. I atleast have my bubble up for about 20 seconds and boom shut down and it's so dumb how they shut the bubble down then you. Wtf come on? 3. The graph says it all! 4. Ever class just outdoes the defender but it's whatever, "I'm not a defender so oh I'm going to judge the defender anyways because the times I see them their shield is good but easy to take down" 5. Look this is off topic but please stop saying your a pro and stuff and judging other people because at this point destiny doesn't take skill to play really because I can use last word sniper any day an I never do and reck so get off of other classes nuts. This is biased but every class takes no skill besides t Titans in general need a buff besides striker obviously but we shouldn't be forced to use other classes/subclasses because one class is dumm[/quote] This

the only Sunsinger grenade I found that was sort of useful in dealing with a bubble was a viking funeral solar grenade with the sunbreaker exotics. with the change to viking funeral the sunsinger counters nothing and is countered by everything.

Ugghhhhh!! The graph is crap!! Does no one posting about this realize that? Seriously? THere is not a single piece of data beyond the vague k/d breakdown on it. That graph chart is Bungie putting something up to show their "data" for changes they have/will make coming down the pipe. If that was real , actual data; what game modes was that in 6v6 ( which game modes?), trials, 3v3. what was the breakdown by subclass, etc. This isn't a comment about whether Titans need a buff or not, this is about panicking over is rather idiotic graph with zip for data and tells you absolutely nothing beyond the k/d and not the real story....