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5/11/2016 2:34:21 AM
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sniping still takes more "skill" then shotguns and fusion rifles. Specially now after the nerf.. Which they should un-nerf cause its annoying as shit dealing with shotgunners.
Primary weapons, in 90% of last weeks battles. I'd lose to a shotgunner no matter what. I'd see them run at me from 20 feet away, I'd be spraying them down with a doctrine, they'd slide from 10 feet away and kill me.
That don't take skill. Its just primary's are either two weak or shotguns are to strong and the range is retarded. So I put on my shotgun, charged in without a care and killed all three enemies within the first 20 seconds of the match.
For me, shotguns should be two shot if its hitting the body or feet and one shot headshot. Just like snipers. There was plenty of people I slid into, shot past their entire body and still got a kill.
Crucible needs to be adjusted once again.
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Lol I'm guessing you weren't around in year one.
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I was around in year one, sense beta. Shotguns were everywhere. But so was skilled snipers. The the recent nerf to sniping. A lot of users switched back to shotgun cause they are just as annoyed as I am with sniping.
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Edytowany przez użytkownika iDovahBear: 5/11/2016 10:15:19 PMSniping is still very viable, it's just not as easy. They got a baby nerf.
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a baby nerf would be more like breathing, take a shot, wait 3 seconds take another shot. Now its, you snipe, miss your head shot, go to fire again and instead you are taken on a roller coaster ride to death. I hate that feeling. I'd rather have 5 second delay on shots then going on a roller coaster ride. This way, if you miss you're shot you can evade and plan a different attack.
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Shotguns seen the biggest nerf any gun type has seen, A nerf to snipers? They got tickled compared to other weapons, They barely got a nerf at all, I feel no difference in the scopes.
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Well why don't you use a shotgun then?
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I might have to. But for me, I find it more fun watching a head explode..
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[quote]sniping still takes more "skill" then shotguns and fusion rifles.[/quote] ??? Lol
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Edytowany przez użytkownika the666guy: 5/11/2016 3:37:19 AMLiterally all you need to do is walk backwards and you are immune to shotguns. Just hip fire and walk backwards.
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I do that too. Sometimes it works. a lot of the time it don't. See the range on universal remote? Iam sure I am not the only bastard being killed by it from a mile away.
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Nobody is being killed from a mile away. Why does everyone use hyperbole to try and skew the facts? It's a Primary Shotgun with cruddy range but it has the only accessible Shot Package perk in-game. That is why some people are getting good shot placement from standard Shotgun ranges. But most people are just stuffing it into your body while you have anything but a Shotgun out.
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Its a mile away.. There are videos out showing how far you can one shot someone with that thing. In realistic terms. its more like 20-25 feet away. But the range is insane. It wouldn't bother me if all maps were more like cathedral of dusk. But they are all pretty small maps.
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It's funny, you just said a hitscan weapon took more skill than a projectile based weapon. [i]~I'll Ram your ass![/i]
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What nerf? Ammo decrease effected shotguns too and the 2 frames added to ads is nothing compared to the equip time increase shotguns received a while back. Increase scope zoom? Less aa on short gaze? Honestly I can't tell a difference.
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The scope bounces around way more then before. With the closer zoom, you are hit once and it sends you're scope on a roller coaster ride.
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>It's annoying dealing with Shotgunners. Well, if they managed to get on top of you, and you refused to reposition... whose fault is that exactly?
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Most of the maps in the game are close range, short distant maps. By the time someone gets on you. In the time it takes you to switch to a primary, you are dead. If you are able to get it out, you are still dead. Another thing I hate about shotguns is the campers. They hold corners down, which is smart on their part. But on such small maps, you'll run into them regardless. They shoot you once, it can be at you're feet it don't matter, slide out and gun down a team mate and maybe slide and kill a third. In this time frame, the time it takes to stop from running and pull out a primary to do damage. You die, if you're lucky you can melee and a teammate might be lucky to clean it up. But in most cases it don't happen. I am happy people can use a shotgun once again. But with small maps, slow transition times. Something should be done about shotguns.
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Edytowany przez użytkownika iDovahBear: 5/11/2016 10:24:31 PMThey were already nerfed due to the awareness of small maps. What you're asking for would make them useless. You're literally asking for them to have a shorter range than a melee lunge and/or subpar damage to turn the would-be-hole-punchers into cotton-ball-cannons. The only reason Primaries can't kill for shit is because of the nerfs. If you had Year One Primaries, I guarantee you the Shotgunners would only have you on corners. And even then you're the one letting them bait you to the corner time and time again. Why/How can you blame them for playing to their strengths and avoiding their weaknesses? If they seriously consider "balancing," Shotguns again, this game will have truly gone to the dumps. There are much more concerning imbalances present in the Crucible and a weapon like this simply isn't one of them. Class Balance is a bigger issue, one that is being ignored by and large, only to be humored by baby nerfs to the Warluck Master (Disg)race. Shotguns are in no way the problem here. Trying to displace the blame on them is shameful. You're the kind of nerfherder who promotes nerfing just for the sake of your overzealous opinion that it's ruining [i]your[/i] gameplay. It is not ruining the player experience right now. You're just experiencing what I would like to call "OP Withdrawal," hopefully you get over it soon. ;)
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haha op withdrawal. That's a good one. They still need to do something about shotguns. They can keep their range. Just make them two shot in a lot of situations. Make people actually aim with a weapon to get kills. There are certain primary weapons I absolutely hate in this game cause you can spam shot towards some ones general direction without actually aiming you're shot. In a lot of those cases. It gives the player a two shot headshot against a player that is actually trying to pick their shots. Shotguns are the same way. Shoot past, shoot a toe, shoot between the legs, shoot half the body, shoot a hand. It all counts as a one shot kill. Again, crucible needs to be looked at some more for balance. Not just for me. But for everyone.
