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Edytowany przez użytkownika P00K:
4/6/2016 8:29:57 PM
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PvE vs PvP Changes and the Big Cop Out on the stream
Bungie, you said on the stream that the reason you don't seperate PvP and PvE stats are because our guardian is our guardian everywhere we go. Part of Bungie's design philosophy is to make sure that weapons work the same no matter the activity.
[b]If this is so, then why are all your balance changes based solely on PvP usage of the weapons?[/b]
Surely if part of your design philosophy is to ensure en equal experience across playmodes, then why do you not take into account how the guns are used in PvE when making your decisions.
MIDA for example - was nerfed solely because it was "overused" (according to Bungie) in PvP. So you take away the knockback / stagger and in doing so destroy the weapon's usefulness in PvE. It will now underperform any number of legendary scouts which do not take up the exotic slot.
If you're going to use parity between PvP and PvE as an excuse, then you should make sure that your metrics collection and playtesting play by those same rules. It's clear that as of today, they do not.
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I only ever used MIDA with the speed boost so I can run sonic fast. I dislike scouts in pvp but I used MIDA to run fast so it doesn't affect the way I use it anyway
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Never used mida in pve to many other better scout rifles out there. Stop whining bro and experiment with other guns.
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1 Odpowiedź[quote]MIDA for example - was nerfed solely because it was "overused" (according to Bungie) in PvP. .[/quote] You realize that if something is being used more than anything else, mida, tlw, doctrine, 1000 yd stare, etc, there's a reason for that, the community feels they are the op or best weapons to use. Bungie is trying to make it that other weapons feel viable.
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1 OdpowiedźLife isn't fair, deal with it and quit crying like a little bitch. Git Gud
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Snipers though
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Edytowany przez użytkownika beedel: 4/7/2016 10:37:55 PMRegarding the MIDA thing, this may have all been avoided if they just brought all of the exotics to Y2, or have more Y2 scouts beside MIDA or the Jade Rabbit. I still think the Pulse nerf was a mistake.
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I’m dumbfounded that they’ve nerfed the amount of special and heavy you can hold in reserve based solely on that guy who goes on a heavy kill streak in PvP. ‘But we’ve upped the special drop in PvE to balance’ they said…well what a great solution…no doubt about it we are dealing with the pointy end of the spear with these muppets. Sick to bloody death of nerf after nerf on PvE because of balance in sodding PvP! When Deej mentioned it, I was amazed that their defence was they want to keep guardian feel the same across the board. You’re having a laugh right? April the first has passed hasn’t it? That is weak, lazy and just plain bloody wrong! Look, the balance in PvP for PvP players is a good thing…when it impacts PvE for a PvP reason then you are killing the game, you are eroding the things that make PvE FUN!!!! If you can’t see that then you need to get out of your sandbox and do something else, probably in sanitation. If PvE is not fun then people aren’t going to put up with the grind and they will disappear in droves to play other games. Maybe PvE players need to bitch more, buff this buff that…but who am I kidding you’ll still take the easy route, I mean you’ve proved it time after time, nerf after nerf, all based on PvP!
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6 OdpowiedziSeriously. Who is using MIDA in PvE? This is a real question. I've rarely seen it.
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12 OdpowiedziWho uses exotic primaries in PvE anyway
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Edytowany przez użytkownika Toast Muncher: 4/7/2016 10:03:00 PMIf high calliber rounds was the only reason you used mida in PVE then you can just get another high calliber round scout rifle.
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Cuz pve is the "easy mode" of Destiny.
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Edytowany przez użytkownika whateverman7: 4/7/2016 10:07:07 PMI agree. When he said that, all i thought was 'what the -blam!-? that makes no sense'. I get it they want people to use more guns in pvp, but this isnt a pvp only game, so they need to take the other part of the game into account. Another thing they said that re-enforced why i dont play mp games much: they are trying to dictate how people play the game. While i understand wanting balance and people to use different weapons, the dev shouldnt decide how we play the game, which is what it sounds like they are trying to do. No, that's not saying devs shouldnt make tweaks, they should, but they shouldnt do it based off popularity (popular guns get nerfed to try to make us use non popular guns). All the guns will never be used equally because there will always be a few guns the majority gravitate to for whatever reasons. If devs want true balance in a game, just make sure all the weapons can be used to complete the objective and there isnt any broken/op weapons. That's true balance. Players need to learn that too and stop complaining about everything.
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6 OdpowiedziBut wait, haven't there been nothing but complaints about MIDA and special and heavy for a good while now? The hell do you people want?!
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That's absolutely right!
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They need to create two classes of every weapon type and design weapons for main use in pve and pvp specifically. For example, there would be two base classes of sniper rifle. One with pvp in mind and one for pve. Either can be used in any game mode but perks and stats are designed with their category in mind. This way when blanket changes go out they only effect weappns designed to be used in those game mode that are inspiring the changes. I'm fine with the ability blanket changes as these have been unavoidable in every game and only require adaptation to over come. However changing the way a weapon acts, like MIDA's ability to stagger enemies, hugely changes the outcome in pve vs pvp.
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6 OdpowiedziEdytowany przez użytkownika BIGwillestylz: 4/7/2016 4:45:50 AMLook, let me break it down. They nerfed things based on pvp stats, however, ruining certain popular weapons will make The new poe more challenging. Their changes serve their best interest two fold. Are you guys that blind?
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8 OdpowiedziYou guys can't be serious. They're doing their best to balance the game. The change to Mida is so minor, I'm sure most won't even notice it, but it will make other guns more viable. It's for balance.
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10 OdpowiedziThat was a stupid lazy answer. "Our guns need to feel the same in pve and pvp" Why? Wouldn't it be more challenging to make it like "o shoot im in pve, this gun acts like this, o im in pvp now, i have to adjust my gameplay. U KNO THIS IS FUN. I HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE AWARE OF WHAT I AM DOING" But no. I think this game was made for people who like grinding like zombies on the same maps, same guns, same everything. Some just like doing it, some r addicted to it. And clearly most can't take a challenge, hence all the complaining. (Ex. Really u couldn't get 2500 points and a win in iron banner???? Pathetic). *this is my alt account too for all those who will i never played the game*
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Well said!!
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7 OdpowiedziEdytowany przez użytkownika MindfulPizza: 4/7/2016 2:22:14 PMIt is a full cop out , nothing less or more . For a company in this day and age to say need go on cellphone or internet to get groups is so 1997 txt messages . there to cheap to learn there power of the matchmaking system they created . and to cheap that if players find stuff out to shut sever down till they patch it in a hr , like F2P, sub games , Esport games and stuff. no one over halo2 age going pay any more for content, any more . also . going take them some pr stuff , just listen to console gamers on other games. For me last time heard this much hate on a game was PSU on xbox 360 when sega , went to wtf . when you in a voice chats party and doing and in random stuff games. or txt messages why playing the game still .
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[quote]MIDA for example - was nerfed solely because it was "overused" (according to Bungie) in PvP. So you take away the knockback / stagger and in doing so destroy the weapon's usefulness in PvE. It will now underperform any number of legendary scouts which do not take up the exotic slot.[/quote] This speaks volumes. Damnit Bungie I hope you actually read these posts!!!!!
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6 OdpowiedziMy thoughts exactly... bungie clearly gave up on pve. Loved how they said 1000 yard stare overused, when it is literally the ONLY reliable legendary sniper in the game with decent impact! BUT because pvp aholes were abusing it, shooting from hip somehow, they had to nerf and -blam!- us pve player over doing missions or raids. Same with raid machine gun.. was awesome in missions and raid, and fkd that up too with nerf cause yet again, pvp players abusing it. Want a fix, take out special amd heavy from pvp... noone abuses fkn primaries!! Best part of that twitch show, when they said after crucible match, lets look at the revamped loot drops, and NOTHING dropped for a single person lmfao. The only true thing broken in the game was horrendous rnging loot, or non existing i should say...and they didnt even address it! They simply tried to make the pvp whiners happy. Oh and speaking of nerf... wtf were they thinking with hand cannons? Thorn demo STILL was one or 2 shot instant kill while now the last word i was counting over 10 shot kills... they nerfed the living fuk out of last word, but thorn STILL OP lol who cares if lightened the poison cloud damage when can one shot stuff lmao
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If they don't announce that they're doing something to help PvE, I say we all go into Iron Banner next time it comes around and just spam the "no" emote. Who's with me?
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1 OdpowiedźAbsolutely agree
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28 OdpowiedziEdytowany przez użytkownika sargetc: 4/7/2016 2:53:30 AMBungie logic: Step 1. Let's create a weapon that absolutely breaks the crucible!! Everyone will want to use it!! Step 2. Oh no.. Qullim's is breaking the crucible.. what do we do? Step 3. Let's nerf ALL machine guns! That'll teach those players not to use the weapon too much!! Bungie logic: Snipers need a little nerf. Step 2. Nerf Mida's ability to stagger snipers.. one of the only guns in the game that does it well. Bungie logic: Firebolts seem broken, but.. umm.. we really don't know what to do, so.. we're gonna give even more grenades to the Sunsinger!! Bungie logic: people are complaining that shotguns got hit too hard, let's fix that by nerfing the amount of ammo they can carry!! Bungie logic: Step 1. let's buff pulse rifles (august 2015) Step 2. We love that pulse rifles are having a moment (Sept 2015) Step 3. we are nerfing pulse rifles because we really don't like that you are enjoying them (Nov 2015) Step 4. We are buffing pulse rifles (Apr 2016) Bungie logic: Step 1 autorifles are powerful. Step 2. we are nerfing autorifles step 3. we are buffing autorifles 7% step 4. we are only buffing autorifles by 0.04% and going to make Doctrine ridiculously overpowered in crucible step 5. we are buffing autorifles except doctrine, it is too powerful, and we really don't like that you are using it. Bungie logic: fusion rifles are fun, they are unique to destiny! Step 2. we are going to nerf fusion rifles so badly that they will be nearly impossible to succeed with. Step 3. we see that you guys want fusion rifles to get buffed, but we have 1 player in the playtest team that beats Jon Weirznewski with Plan C and he really doesn't like that, so we are going to nerf fusion rifles some more.
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4 OdpowiedziDon't see why people are getting so upset about the stagger rounds, do you really need to stagger a dreg? I use mida mainly for extra agility on my warlock, so won't make any difference to the gun for me.
