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Edytowany przez użytkownika P00K:
4/6/2016 8:29:57 PM
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PvE vs PvP Changes and the Big Cop Out on the stream
Bungie, you said on the stream that the reason you don't seperate PvP and PvE stats are because our guardian is our guardian everywhere we go. Part of Bungie's design philosophy is to make sure that weapons work the same no matter the activity.
[b]If this is so, then why are all your balance changes based solely on PvP usage of the weapons?[/b]
Surely if part of your design philosophy is to ensure en equal experience across playmodes, then why do you not take into account how the guns are used in PvE when making your decisions.
MIDA for example - was nerfed solely because it was "overused" (according to Bungie) in PvP. So you take away the knockback / stagger and in doing so destroy the weapon's usefulness in PvE. It will now underperform any number of legendary scouts which do not take up the exotic slot.
If you're going to use parity between PvP and PvE as an excuse, then you should make sure that your metrics collection and playtesting play by those same rules. It's clear that as of today, they do not.
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2 OdpowiedziEdytowany przez użytkownika bilbo t baginzz: 4/9/2016 5:50:21 AMWho uses a mida in PvE anyway... you should be using scouts with fire fly or explosive rounds, theres a shit load of better weapons which arent exotic that dominate the MIDA for PvE. Down voted because people dont like what i said, no replies because they know im right... ive never seen someone using a MIDA in the KF raid or any raid.
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I love the concept of pvp and PVE parity. No way to do it and have fun in both. Ammo and damage at a minimum must be managed separately.
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1 OdpowiedźAlso shotguns were buffed 100% in pve before HoW but not in pvp. Its bungie being lazy as usual...
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Let's just hope that it's either a stupid publicity stunt on their part or they're just putting a little more thought into balancing. PLEASE.
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At the least, Y2 weapons should MORE POWERFUL THAN ITS Y1 COUNTERPART
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18 OdpowiedziThe sooner you realize pve is just there to give you something to do from low level to max and to get weapons and armor the better. Its not end game the end game is pvp. Why in the hell would you play pve for any reason other to get shit or to level? Its not fun and its the same thing EVERY time. Pvp is always different every time you go in the crucible your playing people with a brain not computer generated enemies that do the same thing over and over and over again.
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23 OdpowiedziEdytowany przez użytkownika Baryonic_Stream: 4/7/2016 11:30:00 PMWhy do people complain about nerfs to PVE? The way I see it, you're playing against a CPU that has no clue about the meta or whatever. That dreg doesnt know you can't stagger him any more. It just means solve the puzzle a different way *shrug*. in PVP, human players will abuse any imbalance and stagnate the game. In PVE, a gun getting nerfed doesn't mean all the taken captains will count your shots and bumrush you when your 1kys runs out of ammo....hide and synth maybe? or change up your loadout, wear a sniper chest etc. If someone made a 1 player game harder for me it would be a bonus to be honest.... another puzzle to solve, another level to beat? I dunno, I just wonder why the complaints keep coming in.... it's strange. I play a lot of PVE by the way. I enjoy it just as much as PVP, but the nerfs/buffs have never bothered me. Maybe Bungie focuses on PVP because that's where weapon balance has the most impact perhaps? I have no problems whatsoever with their "excuse" except for the fact that they gave the excuse in the first place. They should just build the game and let us judge its quality by playing, rather than giving excuses.....
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1 OdpowiedźI wish they would stop over using the term "over used". If I want to use a certain type of gun, let me.
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5 OdpowiedziIt's just terrible lazy excuses by bungie (aka Luke smith). They constantly nerf everything (weapons and classes) for pvp, and destroy them for PVE. Remember mythoclas? It was supposed to be a powerful weapon, it was the endgame gun. It was op in pvp, so they nerfed it to the ground and made if unusable forever in PVE and pvp. How bout the Titan nerf? "Oh no! Hunters, who have been on top of all the pvp charts since day one, in most played and most kills, has become second most played to another class! We can't have classes fighting to be on top. Hunters must always be on top! Nerf the Titan!!!" Yes, it neede a small nerf. [b][u][i]small.[/i][/u][/b] They killed it, just so hunters could be back on top. Cuz it's such a bad thing if they're not. -blam!- bungie, -blam!- Luke smith and -blam!- this ass wiping game.
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1 OdpowiedźI need to say this: to everyone saying pve is useless or significantly less important... I understand what you're saying. But in this game, the way it works, to hit max level pve is the main path. Yes ToO can give you end game loot but raiding is the main path. So how can you say that nerfing pve because of pvp aspects is justified? As always, this is bungie being lazy. They have dropped a half completed game at release. Been slow to make corrections. Have cut corners. And are still trying to learn how to communicate to its players. I like the game and I play it. But no where near as much. This practice of there's is tiring. And it seems all I do after seeing/reading there shit is shake my head and move on.
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6 OdpowiedziAs far as mida goes. The removal of stagger bullets won't affect its usage in pve. Most people use it for its mobility increase.
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I like when my guns stop doing stuff they used to because they were overused in a gametype i dont play :/
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The MIDA nerf is not something that I think many will truly notice in PvE. However, I can see where people are upset about the Sniper Rifle ammo nerf. In certain sections of the raid you do have time to grab ammo before beginning the damage phase if you refrain from killing one enemy. Keep the enemy busy and pick up the special ammo packs that had their drop rate increased. Yeah it'll lengthen your time for completion about ten minutes, but that isn't too big of a deal as having a new player that has absolutely no clue what he is doing and refuses to listen/talks over calls the entire raid raises your time by 30+minutes before you even decide to kick them.
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I wish they would stop over using the term "over used". If I want to use a certain type of gun, let me.
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Watch them nerf the TOM, seems it's the Bungie way to nerf every weapon in existence.
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11 OdpowiedziFollow me on ig plzz
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1 OdpowiedźIts their game There gonna do what they want If you don't like it There's other games But I have a feeling you'll get over it like every other nerf that's happened
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I agree with and liked your post That said, Destiny PvE content to too easy. The changes will definitely make some of it more difficult.
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What I am struggling with about this bungie guardian for PvP = guardian for PvE, is why the hell do I have to have weapon armor stats which favour guardian kills/damage or non guardian kills/damage. I certainly don't have the same set up of weapons and armor for PvP and PvE. What good is my treads upon stars, which does bonus damage to fallen, in the crucible full of guardians but not a lot of fallen!? Are these PvE and PvP bonuses going to be made obsolete?
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yeah they are ruining so many good guns.. i say bring things back to the peak of all height where they were over powered... thorn back to normal, LW back to normal, pulse rifles, etc. Then no one can complain honestly. The only exception is Vex when it FIRST dropped lol.
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Amen dear sir, Amen!
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Edytowany przez użytkownika TeslaDoc: 4/8/2016 3:04:20 PMPvP is way, way more sensitive to weapon, armour and guardian ability balance than PvE. It's as simple as that. I know that PvE will get harder but in [u]most[/u] cases the nerfs should only cause a few dozen more shots to kill the bosses and might add another 5 or 10 minutes to a raid. Players will naturally adapt to the changes and overcome the new challenges. Perhaps the solution, as you imply, would be to have two varieties of each weapon and balance them separately. I don't know any reasons they couldn't do that. Maybe it would make it harder to participate in both activities and further divide the community? Also, if Bungie gives a damn, they will read your post and test the activity. Then they should make changes to it that ease the difficulty.
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2 OdpowiedziThen why do some patch notes say "increased/decreased damage against AI combatants???? Bungie I supported you up until now.. and idk what is going on but you are losing so many fans.
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1 OdpowiedźGood points, anyone with half a brain knows that the nerf to mida perk is a mistake. I actually don't get nerfing at all . If bungie wants to balance weapons. Why can't they just buff up the weaker effective guns. Wouldn't that balance it out . It seems to me that when u buff up weapons. While at same time nerfing down weapons, the nerfing weapon then just got doubled nerfed. Another thing ; a perk to an exotic weapon should never be nerf... Isn't it the perks that makes the weapon exotic??? Not sure here just asking:). I saw the graph on how many people used the mida (i use it too.) What it showed u is how poorily the other guns were balanced, and. Now that there was Buffing & Nerfing at the same time again. We will see a similar graph just a different gun. I think i know which weapon i will change too :) Peace out and have fun :)
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2 Odpowiedzi1. PvP is the primary source of the game's replayability. It [i]is,[/i] therefore, more important than PvE. Sorry. That's the reality. 2. There is virtually no reason a gun or a subclass would ever need to be nerfed in PvE. Nerfs happen to balance the fight between a guardian and his or her enemy. The balance equation in PvP has two variables: guardian A and guardian B. The balance equation in PvE has only one variable: the guardian.
