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Edytowany przez użytkownika SpecialKDude:
2/4/2016 11:53:28 AM
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This one gun causes all of PvP to imbalance
Contrary to what everyone thinks, snipers are not the biggest issue in PvP. Yes they have high amounts of aim assist and people are pulling off snipes that are kind of ridiculous. But read below.
The gun that is causing this "imbalance" in crucible is The Last Word. Let me tell you why.
- Auto rifles cannot function the way they are intended. Every auto rifle is outgunned by TLW. And because everyone uses TLW, auto rifles will always be outgunned.
- TLW is better than any hand cannon in the game. The accuracy and range of hand cannons is still not where it needs to be. This forces a hand cannon user to stay more close quarters, and at that point, TLW can easily beat a hand cannon user. This makes hand cannons obsolete.
- There are a lot of snipers out there using TLW. Why? Because TLW can be used practically as a shotgun as well as be effective in close to medium range engagements. Nothing can beat it.
- Think of this game without TLW. Would it work? Would more people use auto rifles and hand cannons? What about fusion rifles? The game would change dramatically if they nerfed TLW and you will see much more weapon diversity. TRUST ME.
By the way. This Valentine's Day doubles playlist will be messed up. Thorn will be everywhere. I'm calling it now.
Edit: Some people have called me out as a complainer and to stop asking for nerfs. I just want to say that the problem with TLW is much more apparent at higher ranks because there are much more people who know how to use it. People with lower skill will see much more weapon diversity and can actually use their hard light or whatever other weapon they want because the chances of facing someone who knows how to use TLW properly is much lower. Every trials match or skirmish match I play is against people who use 1kstare and TLW. They lay back and snipe. And as soon as you get close to them your fked. I can do the same as them, but is this in any way fun?
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11 OdpowiedziArrr, are you ready scrubs? Aye Aye Bungie! I can’t hear you! Aye Aye Bungie! Ooooh, who lives in a raid arena under the reef? Spongebob nerf pants! Annoying and glitchy and laggy is he? Spongebob nerf pants! If terrible loot drops is something you wish, Spongebob nerf pants! Then go to the forums and cry like a bitch! Spongebob nerf pants! Ready? Sponge bob nerf pants, Spongebob nerf pants! Spongebob nerf pants! Spongebob, nerf pants
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1 OdpowiedźDude if we cried about ace of spades you are the kind of player that would have a stroke. Get out of here. Just keep trying. If you really believe you will get there. Don't get salty because other players know how to use TLW and you don't. Just keep at it. Btw think before you comment. I looked at your stats and saw that you prefer hand cannons. But it also looks like the one that your the worst with is TLW. Now bring in the salt truck.
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3 OdpowiedziEyasluna isn't out gunned by the last word. I mean you just need three shots to the head. I recommend doing this while moving. Supposedly it makes it difficult for the other player when he's aiming. Not sure though.
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4 OdpowiedziMy AR on my hunter could mow down TLW any day
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so what you're saying is... the problem isn't actually the last word being too good, its that everything else sucks. next time, can you just come out and say it?
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Mida is way worse than TLW
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Edytowany przez użytkownika Dax: 2/5/2016 7:08:08 PMThe scout and fusion on my warlock could, how do you say, rek anyone with The Last Word. [spoiler]You look cute today![/spoiler]
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I used to be on the TLW bandwagon.. Then I really gave my doctrine a try and now I shred TLW like they're Swiss cheese. You can't stop the bullet storm, this gun should be called Hurricane Katrina.
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Nerf everything Bungie. Make snipers 12 bullet headshot kills... same with shotguns. Make rockets track the sun and machine gun rounds hit the dirt at 10 feet. Nerf all primaries 10,000% and give everyone overshield. Nobody can lose. All is fair! :)
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4 OdpowiedziMy Ace of Spades counters it fine. That is a HC also. My Suros Regime counters it fine. That is a AR. My brand new Armsday Suros counters it fine. That is a AR. So tell me, what are you complaining about?
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1 OdpowiedźI pull out tlw when I see shotguns. Otherwise, I stick to my hawksaw. Fix 1 hit shotguns, and then I'll never have to use TLW.
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The her benovolence in Crimson doubles will be an epidemic
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1 OdpowiedźI hate TLW. I feel like its is the only truly crutch weapon left in competitive play. I am so sick of seeing it in loadouts and getting team spammed by them. I would change the following: TLW should have a range of about 2x that of shotguns, and a slightly larger range when ADS. Inside of the hip fire range it should be just as deadly as it currently is. Outside of this range hipfire should have around a 90% damage drop off. It cannot be allowed to be as effective as it is outside of ragne, doing 70-80% of its normal damage. It shoots too fast. You should be rewarded up close and punished in longer range situations. In its current state it is too effective from range.It is essentially a long range fast firing shotgun in its current state.
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2 OdpowiedziSidearms beat it every time
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[b]wont be balanced untol eveyone uses the exact same weapons, no perks from any armor or weapons and classes have no special abilities.[/b] Go play cod.
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Can't they nerf it's Rof a bit but not for all handcannons Or with special ammo rebalanced people might have to use icebreaker or invective for ammo meaning they can't use MIDA or tlw
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Edytowany przez użytkownika akh003: 2/5/2016 7:50:33 AMI ran some numbers and it appears to me that if you use the tlw, it's balanced. Tlw=tlw. Simple math really
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3 OdpowiedziEdytowany przez użytkownika Hetchi: 2/5/2016 7:30:49 AMThey have nerfed TLW a few times already. Let it be.
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Khvostov is 2 op 4 me
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10 OdpowiedziEdytowany przez użytkownika JayTeazyy: 2/5/2016 6:26:06 AMCan't even with these people who think they have pvp experience. An overwhelming majority are PvE kids who barely play an ounce of crucible, and the rest are those who just flat out suck. [b][u]Heres the laydown[/u][/b] TLW works at its intended range. And can be easily countered by something like a doctrine at a little father range. Year 1 TLW [b][u]was[/u][/b] broken. Everyone knew this. Even as a TLW junkie myself, I knew this. 2.0 patches put TLW in an odd spot with somewhat okay hit detection. Adding on the the fact that sbmm increased latency issues, proved for an unpleasant experience. Since then another patch came about which increased the hit detection (or AA) ((which is very high on all primaries btw)) where it was finally in a good place. It worked in ranges as intended, could only two shot if you got lucky with hipfire crits and was 1/10 of what it used to be. It was still a good counter to shotguns, and close range play, but outside of that, unless you're facing another TLW, I'd say cut your losses and keep out of long range engagements. (Unless if you're one of those self proclaimed "gods" who body-shot primary, then by all means continue to suck ass) Chances are, that you're going to loose that fight if you can't maneuver around such person and get a drop on them. Soon, competitive players like my self got used to how the new 2.0 TLW worked and built gunskill with it again. Now the more casual crowd (not knocking people who can't devote time into the game, as I currently can't right now with real life taking up most of my time as expected.) started seeing they were killed by the same gun that roamed y1 and starting creating salt flats again. Flustered that TLW was already nerfed, and they didn't want to admit that they aren't just as good as they thought they were, people started to make asinine complaints how 2.0 TLW was working in their intended range and wanted it to shoot marshmallows. More so on the fact that they can finger their buttholes to a new gun (cough cough Mida cough cough) once more. Now as we arrive to the present, people have started an influx of complaints, running out of things to blame for their lack of gunskill. I like to call this species "saltious desticleus forumus" TL;DR PvE kids just crying about another gun
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I just can't stand TLW and that is why I never use it. I have tried it, but after I have dismantled it quite some times (or infuse). I'm also against Hawkmoon and LITC perk. Fun in PvE, but in PvP it should be about skill, not luck.
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Just put it back to how it was before the general hand cannon buff. It was fine then, the cone of fire made it hard to hit at medium range but it was still good at close.
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Use mida man 4 shots at any distance
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12 OdpowiedziMonte Carlo, Hakkon's Hatchet, Zhalo Supercell, and Doctrine of Passing all can outgun The Last Word.
