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Edytowany przez użytkownika Lost Sols: 1/17/2017 11:11:51 PM
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An open letter to the Bungie employee who posted this on Reddit.

Assuming this is legit, and it certainly reads like it is, there are a few things I would respond to this with. First and foremost I found the "you've pissed me off" part interesting because ALL of this animosity could easily have been avoided if your community manager could have actually spent his time interacting with the community. I get the whole you can only say what you're allowed to say, but for a year you all said NOTHING. As to your having to rewrite the game and losing 100k+ you probably were counting on, that truly sucks, but you're also pretty goddamn lucky to have a job with the potential for a 100k+ bonus. All that said though, you all have no one to blame but yourselves. Maybe the Activision suits had meddling fingers in the pie, but let's face it, you did the exact same thing with Halo 2 and now you're pushing back Destiny 2 to get new ideas in. That's a problem. The ideas should already have been thought out and you shouldn't be implementing new things at this point, you should be perfecting and polishing. You spent years building huge playable terrain for Halo 2 and ended up not using 85%. Older Russia is what happens when you fail to learn from past mistakes. Destiny released a flawed game, but rather than realizing that and focusing on fixing shit that truly mattered like accessibility, playable content and in-game communication, you chose to instead give us more weapons and armor to grind for that were the exact -blam!-ing same as the shit we had or worse. How is Hung Jury better than Cryptic Dragon? It's not. We told you we'd rather have new fun things to shoot with our weapons we loved than to lose them and have to find new weapons. You didn't listen. The Taken were a fun addition I grant you, but you ruined the weapons to where fighting them isn't fun. And what's worse, you added the TTK content and rather than had the most playable content yet in the game, you -blam!-ing removed the old content. We went from always running the same 6 Strikes to running the same 4. PvP map rotations should have been epic with so many to choose from. Instead it's the same Cathedral/Frontier/Widows every goddamn match. Blind Watch? Delphi? Anomoly? Asylum? Shores? Gone. I get that you get a lot of bullshit on these forums and I've cast my share of stones, but those of us who have been members of this community for years and who come here everyday to post are here because we love or loved this game as much as you all do and we want it to succeed and be great. But when all our efforts, hopes, suggestions are forever met with silence (excluding Cozmo, he's been a bright spot), it's really disheartening. And when dedicated players who've supported this game are locked out of basically all content unless upgrading, when weapons we've worked so hard and spend hundreds of hours to get are rendered meaningless without a second thought by your sandbox team, when the players that populate YOUR website and forums are second and third fiddle to the rest of the internet, it doesn't build bridges or bonds. Some of us spoke up for you all for months saying most of Bungie are at work on Destiny 2 and that is where we'll see our changes if we do and we got shit all over for defending you. Well here you are saying it now when you could have just said what was obvious to some of us back then and got in front of all the bullshit that's come since. It sucks what's happened to Destiny and I truly feel bad for those artists, writers, musicians, and programmers that pour their souls into this game only to be betrayed by the ones pulling the strings. Again, for all its flaws, Destiny was still one of the most fun games I've ever played. So why isn't it now? Who is the one deciding to limit what we can run? Who is deciding what weapons are allowed to be good each month? Who is the one making the call to limit our marks, limit the #of Strikes that drop good rewards, lock content behind time-gated bs? Whose the one who -blam!-ed over Fusion Rifles? Because they're the final straw that's pushed me to Forza since 2.0.1 Whose the one that made the call to gut Staten's work rather than trust him to know us and what we fans love? Especially reading that you're all trying to get back to his storytelling. Whomever is the answer to those questions owes the rest of your company and this community an apology because they're destroying what in many ways still was and should still be the best game of the last decade. I'm grateful that you wrote what you did and I really hope you don't face repercussions for doing so, because that honesty is long overdue and it's something at least I can accept and be willing to cut a little slack if you're being honest with us. I hope this doesn't end up another 404Architect, that gets completely scrubbed from forum existence (and stop -blam!-ing pretending you don't censor the forums). Respect is a two way street. We genuinely want to help make this game better, but that requires you all to care enough to admit when your wrong and accept our help righting the ship. People pledge millions to games like Star Citizen that may or may not ever actually deliver. If you all were that screwed over on funds and needed more to put out content, maybe you should have tried being honest and talking to us rather than be slick with the Silver bullshit. To proud to admit failure. To pig headed to turn to the community you spent a year trying to push away for help, so you make shit worse with all the microtransaction drama. You want to fix Destiny? You want to repair your relationship with your fans? You want Destiny 2 to be the GOAT? Start by cutting some -blam!-ing strings. Peace.
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  • 1. You missed the "NDA" part. That is an IMPORTANT part of this whole equation. Bungie is still a company that something of a partnership with very limited distribution of its stock shares. Activision is a publicly traded conglomerate. Any information about any of its products and their respective timetables has the power to alter stock prices....the valuation of the company...and its ability to draw upon credit. So there may be (a lot) of things that Bungie employees are simply not LEGALLY allowed to talk about because of NDA, and the impact such things might have on Activision. 2. The author---if legit---delivered a reality check. We all run around here making posts and making demands as if there were NO LIMITS to what Bungie can give us...and that they're just being bad/lazy/greedy holding back on us. NO....he delivered the bad news that there are some very real financial and TIME constraints to what they do. 3. The rest of your post is basically more of what the reddit poster is talking about. Making complaints and demands to be heard....while not bothering to LISTEN in return. The game is in the situation its in, because Bungie had two choices. Either keep investing in flawed game that was designed (badly apparently in terms of the game engine) for last-gen consoles...and then ported over to current gen hardware..... ...or cut their losses, and go back to the drawing board and completely retool based on what they've learned over the last 16 months, AND the fact that they are probably going to drop the last gen support this time around. So they are going to be free to do some very different things with the game....and are apparently trying to position themselves to do it better and FASTER this time around. If this is true, I'm content to WAIT if it means that they get it RIGHT this time. Rather than just keep demanding we get it FAST. Yes...Respect is a two way street. As a community we have been demanding that we be given a great deal of it....while SHOWING next to NONE in return. Because we've been too busy acting like spoiled children to notice that we can't have everything simply by demanding it.

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    • Firstly , great post! From what I remember from the Activision/Bungie contract, Bungie were given a budget to release Destiny in 2013, if it then made 1Billion in the first year and reached a certain level in independent reviews, Bungie would receive a sizable bonus ( in the millions) plus 15% of Activision's revenue from the game. Trouble is They released a year late and got average reviews at best. So while Activision made a mint from the games sales in the first year, Bungie didn't receive the extra revenue they were expecting. They had a good few years for development...so what happened to screw up the launch? was the game they were going to release in the fall of 2013 really so awful that they had to rewrite the story?

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    • Bump this post a trillion times over! This post I totally 100% agree with. Bungie listen to this post it speaks for pretty much the entire destiny community and fan base. I couldn't have said it any better . But I doubt bungie will even read this or even care. Oh well the division is gonna be my new game destiny is way to boring for me now. They need to bring back old raids and strikes.

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      • Edytowany przez użytkownika InsectShelf3: 1/28/2016 4:26:38 PM
        Awesome post. I think I've played shores maybe twice since TTK release, even less asylum. We have 27 maps in destiny. 3 are for combined arms, so we have 24 pvp maps that can be played in regular pvp. Yet I'm only seeing 1/4 of them. I truly think this new CEO is going to fix these issues.

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      • Excellent post

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      • Right on. Best post I've read, and I love this game. I am not willing to give up on it yet, and though I will be giving the Division a go, I am encouraged by the CEO replacement and have at least a little hope that D2 will not repeat the same mistakes. If this is truly a 10 year journey, we have a long way to go, and I have enjoyed this enough to stick around. Thanks for the great post Sols.

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      • What I don't understand is how a game development company has around 500 employees and only a handful are developers. That makes me wonder how many people just sit around bungie doing nothing.

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      • That letter is a troll.

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      • [quote]We told you we'd rather have new fun things to shoot with our weapons we loved than to lose them and have to find new weapons. You didn't listen. [...] And what's worse, you added the TTK content and rather than had the most playable content yet in the game, you -blam!-ing removed the old content.[/quote] Goddam truth bomb, right here. I can't bump this hard enough.

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      • Any news on the author? Besides not being validated on reddit... And thus probably keeping his job... It sounds like that long holiday we weren't happy about was tough on the Bungie team. Replacing a CEO, those are some serious circumstances.

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      • 2
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      • Bumped. Excellent. Some may not know, some [i]may[/i] know btw. Star Citizen has some developers on it from [b]Star Lancer[/b] from dreamcast from back in a day. But, onto destiny. They want to earn the majority back? Respect your community. There's WAY TOO MANY examples over the last year by people in charge at Bungie who have removed what community earned, disregarded what we valued and payed for. Too many lies, and too many cover ups for those lies behind word games . It's impossible for myself to believe that nobody at Bungie who works on the game [i]doesnt care[/i]. Hypothetically, let's say the validity of the written letter is legit. Let's say its authenticity is proven by its wording. For each and every action performed in the last year, the consequences for decisions made by a select few have not only disregarded the consequences but have sometimes been followed by a snide disregard for the consequences with nothing more than a justification for those actions with "Me", with "because I", or "because anonymity protects me". We KNOW [i]who[/i] those people are. Let's see if new leadership brings about changes for the better. Cause damn... I've never seen such disregard for a games community the way I've seen in this game and some of the people in charge.towards players. It's almost as if community cares more about Destiny, than some of the people who make those decisions. Great post. Should be stickied.

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      • Brb

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      • [quote]Start by cutting some -blam!-ing strings[/quote] Good bye, CEO.

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        • Very well spoken and I agree fully with this

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          • I feel your frustration and betrayal, my hopes for this game were so high from the time spent with the former Bungie, that the fall was that much greater for us. I was so excited for the game I was told about prior to release and disappointed with what I got, but it was still fun. And then the downward spiral to where we are today. I too no longer play, but I look to the forums for the hope the Bungie I knew will return.

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          • Can't say I believe the reddit post was legitimately from a bungie employee... but if it is, this is the funniest thing I've seen in a while. I gave up on Destiny and Bungie a while ago, but its still sad to see that things haven't changed when I check back in.

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          • Oh shit, Harold Ryan is "Stepping down" lmfao! More like he's abandoning the ship~ Ship Captain: "Brace for impact!" Harold Ryan: Oh hell no! I'm -blam!-ing out of here bitches, peace!!!

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            • Imagine that. Bungie. Listening to the community. I think they have one giant dick head of a boss

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              • Amazing!...

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              • That letter read as very fake. Or it truly is so bad that they are really in this for the profit (margins, mandated DLC, eververse, etc) and don't want to make it a good game just a good money maker. That's what I took from it at least.

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                • Edytowany przez użytkownika o0WalterWhite0o: 1/28/2016 12:56:35 AM
                  They can still make it up to vanilla players by actually giving us good shit at the beginning of destiny 2, instead of worthless shit like this latest "suros pack"

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                • I like the fact you put the "s" in http Now I can view it perfectly over my work computer ;} Bump with da Like~ Good post man.

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                • Nice post man. Excellent

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                • Edytowany przez użytkownika Mangler XO: 1/27/2016 6:30:29 AM
                  I think the guy is just pissed he took a chance at a fat bonus and stock options in lieu of pay and then found out that the bonus is optional and stock in a private company is pretty much worthless. Bungie started going down the drain shortly after they sold out to Microsoft. What Bungie used to say when asked when their game will be ready to ship is "it will be ready when its ready." It got much worse when Peter Moore, (then head of MS Studios) put Pete Parsons in control to make Bungie meet the deadline for Halo2 that he had tattooed on his arm. When Moore left and Parsons was pushed down the chain by replacement Harold Ryan, we get what we have to day in Bungie. A company of guys with great ideas that strip features and fun to make a deadline. Its called management by schedule.

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                  • +1. I appreciate his honesty, but it's too bloody late. Bungie shit on us for over a year, and now that they're feeling the pressure, they finally decide to open up? FOH. They can all go eat a bag of roach dicks.

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