THEY AREN'T OP, PEOPLE NEED TO STOP WALKING INTO SNIPING ZONES

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Lol, When snipers are nerf'd they're going to get nerf'd to the ground.... Just like HoS and then people will find something else to complain about.

Snipers are only good as the people who hold them . If you can't out snipe then rush

[quote]So I decided to upload this video of this happening as proof that snipers are currently unchallenged in the crucible right now. People like to claim aim assist is the problem and what not but they are wrong. They have no idea what their talking about. The true issue lies in weapon flinching. I've started sniping a little after HoW dropped and I got to a point where I'm quite exceptional, nowhere near people like kjhovey or TV or even mtashed. But I'm calling them out. Snipers are your crutch. It's sad that you people defend snipers in their current state. They have no negative draw backs. You can miss a shot then oh well you still got time for a follow up. I've listened to the planet destiny podcast about sniper flinching and just face palmed. I felt like I was the only one that was thinking logically. So basically the guy is saying if I shoot a sniper from his flanks he flinches more than from a head on encounter? How stupid. If I'm flanking a sniper it don't matter how much he flinches because I've already won. But a head on encounter is where it matters the most. Oh snap I carelessly wondered into his sniper lane and I want to live. I'll flinch him out so he can't kill me. Nope the reality is he's nowhere near affected by flinch. In no encounter should anyone encounter a sniper deliver the first shot and get domed immediately with no struggle on his part. Snipers right now take no skill to use because let's face it they have no contenders. Mida barely phases me. Doctrine of passing is laughable. High caliber rounds pulse rifles are laughable as well. Snipers need to flinch a hell of a lot more than they do now. Why shouldn't I be punished for not being stealthy? If I'm scoped in and a guy shoots me the flinch should be so severe that it forces me to disengage or use my primary. I really wish people would stand up for balance and force bungie to listen. This is not the way to go.[/quote] I have snipe for a long time in destiny, cod, halo and I can say it does take skill. I am not saying that snipers don't have issues but they still a lot more skill than the old shotgun meta. I'd rather get sniped from a mile away with a sniper than a shotgun. That said snipers aim assist doesn't really affect the weapon, and flinch need to be tweaked

Autism meters overloaded stand by...

Too much special ammo makes more unskilled battles. Make special scarce and there will be more primary fights while special fights fade away a bit and the ammo you do get is actually used sparingly.

Yep, snipers are just way to easy to use. People are going to have a wake up call when snipers go though some tweaking. I mean really when I'm sniped from within handcannon range more often than in scout rifle or longer range there is a problem with snipers.

Good primaries to use in crucible as of January 21st 2016: Hawksaw The Last Word Thorn Suros PDX-45 Suros PDX-41 Hakke Larimea whatever Hardlight Mida Multi Tool New Monaarchy AR that's a suros Universal Remote No Land Beyond No Time To Explain The First Curse Grasp of Malok Hung Jury Doctrine of Passing Good Secondaries: 1000 Yard Stare Defiance of Yasmin Stillpiercer Conspiracy Theory D Jabberhakke Ironwrealth Invective Ice Breaker Party Crasher+1 Good Heavies: Truth Terminus Elinium's Frenzy Gjallahorn The Ash Factory I don't see how people struggle lol

"This account has not played Destiny" That killed your whole post for me...

I agree with op. If you are taking shots to the face you shouldn't be able to easily headshot. No my k/d is not the best. But if you look at my stats which I am sure you will you can see I am not someone who slide shotguns his way through the crucible. I would just like to see the crucible be more primary based and to achieve this the primary weapon has to be more viable. Right now there is no primary that will outgun snipers. That is a fact and I don't think that is how it should be. Your primary weapon is called your primary for a reason. A special weapon is called special for a reason. So my argument is not that snipers or shotguns or fusions are overpowered or underpowered, my argument is that the primary weapon has no place in the crucible and that stinks