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10/26/2015 5:45:47 PM
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Which military would win, The Covenant or The Hive?
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I would give this to the Hive, they have managed to stand up against Guardians and other nefarious factions with technology and powers that far surpass anything that the Covenant has to offer, Resurrection, High durability, Taken powers, to create a massive army, creating star size explosions.
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Gameplay: covenant Lore: hive
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4 OdpowiedziIs it the Hive in game or from lore? The Hive and Oryx in lore are straight beasts. The oryx in lore is a super old immortal that wipes out races in mere strides. He is so incalculably powerful that his mere strength alone drove a vex mind to madness. In fact the secret paradox mission is you going to the future to the Vex's end. Who was ending them? The Taken. Without our interference Oryx would have conquered everything. He is a master tactician with tons of experience. He takes a forces strongest warriors and multiplies that power to obliterate his enemies. If we fought the Oryx from lore we would have no chance. The most disappointing thing about TTK is that Oryx was the boss and so weak when in lore he was built up amazingly. Oryx was dumbed down in game to be an easy raid boss kill. Lore Hive are amazingly powerful and would even wipe our meager city out easily.
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Edytowany przez użytkownika Fort: 10/29/2015 10:51:47 PM[quote]For me, it boils down to this: it is part of Halo lore that the Covenant are using "found" forerunner tech for their military forces, and they lack a complete understanding of the science behind all of it. They basically found Dad's stash of guns and went on a spree with them, holding a coalition of other races together by force while they did so. The Hive have spent millennia honing their war craft as a fundamental part of their ideology. They have found ways to co-opt death, bypass it, using death to strengthen themselves even further. Their tech appears to be "magic", but just because there are arcane rituals involved doesn't mean it's not grounded in properties of the universe (i.e. it's "technology", just sufficiently advanced as to seem like "magic" as Clarke pointed out). Both civilizations are structured as theocracies, with religious principles underpinning their societies and imbuing their leadership with divine authority (although the Hive leadership may in fact actually be considered to be minor gods, unlike the Prophets which are certainly mere mortals). The difference is the goals-- the Covenant are evangelists, ultimately suicidal ones, who believe in converting or killing all those outside the hegemony. Their society seems to be much more nuanced than that of the Hive, what with politics, civil unrest and the other motivations beyond their religious beliefs informing their behavior (they have basic needs as "living creatures" that the Hive likely do not). The Hive also have other things going on, intrigue and infighting and what-not, but all of that serves what they see as their divine purpose, which is not evangelism or simply killing non-believers-- they want to kill ALL they can and help the universe achieve some "perfect state" as they see it, where only the strongest and best adapted can exist. Whereas the Covenant worship the Forerunners, they Hive literally worship death. Ultimately, I think the singular focus and rigid authoritarianism of the Hive would prevail, because the Covenant are still susceptible to the one thing that the Hive are immune to-- fear. Fear of death is something we mortals all share, humans and aliens alike. The Hive have no such dread-- indeed, death is the subject of their worship, and as such no race could be as ruthless and committed to a war as they, IMHO.[/quote] Not mine, but the best argument I've found on here so far
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1 OdpowiedźJust like to point out to all the people talking about glassing planets. Though it never really expands on it in the lore, first part of the exclusion zone mission the ghost say while describing the cabal "they destroy planets just for getting in the way" or something along those lines. Where that may not necessarily show the same tech/power level as plasma beams, But its still a significant amount of fire power. Oryx/the hive basically ended the cabal presence in the system in seemingly minutes. Despite all that planet destroying fire-power they had to result to kamikazeing their ship into oryx's (not blowing it up) just to get on board, only to have their most powerful members turned against them almost instantly. Also, the queen's harbingers which in lore are an amazingly powerful weapon didn't even scratch the thing. If neither of these massive weapons were able to even touch the dreadnought, what makes you think the covenant will be able to glass it so easily before oryx has time to board their ships and take all their leaders. it would surely at least take some time to get though the shields and armour, giving the taken more than enough time to materialize on the covenant ships and wipe them out just like they did to the cabal war bases. Even if they finished off oryx's ship in the meantime that wouldnt kill oryx cuz he is in a different plane of existance. And all that is assuming that the dreadnought's weapons alone aren't enough to to destroy the covenant's fleet like it did to the awoken's fleet in no time at all.
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I love halo... But oryx+taken covenant would be a scary scary threat
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5 OdpowiedziThe Covenant were, for all effective arguments, stopped by one Spartan. The Hive can't be be by a solo Guardian. Hive clearly are a bigger threat.
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3 OdpowiedziOk here's what I'm seeing. First off the covenant is a coalition of different races. So you have to play fair and bring out the fallen, cabal, vex, and hive against it. Now I'm picturing a huge force led by oryx, skolas, atheon, and valus ta'aurc. Skolas leads the fallen against the elites. The cabal go blow for blow with the brutes. The hive swarm the smaller shit and the vex teleport their time jumping robot asses into the covenant ships and hack everything. Throw in some heavy hitters like the undying mind, phogoth, and septiks and battle over
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6 OdpowiedziEveryone here is forgetting that oryx is not the only leader of the hive. He has 2 sisters as well with an unknown amount of power. Also the only part of oryx's fleet we have seen is the dreadnaught and the carriers that came with it. He would not defy the worm gods and only go after his sons killer making all hive abandon their killings of the other civilizations around the universe. This would cause him to die from the worm consuming him because it was not being fed. The hive would win hands down, no contest, flat out extinction of the covenant if all the hive showed up.
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Murcia.
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2 Odpowiedzi(PS4 player) I got a question for halo players. When you say that the covenant "glass" planets, do you mean that they actually turn entire planets to glass? Like EVERYTHING? How?
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The Hive would get rekt by the Covenant. Hive can't even hope to finish LASO
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Hambo the RatYou made me like this! - stary
Hey! Which race has conquered thousands of races over millennia? The hive! Who would be taken almost instantly by oryx? The covenant! This is how it'll go. Oryx takes Prophets. Oryx takes elites. Oryx takes hunters. Oryx takes brutes. One swift military engagement on High Charity. Taken Covenant forces win in a decisive victory. Oryx commands the prophets to send High Charity into nearest sun. Bam. Job done. -
11 OdpowiedziAssuming you mean the old covenant empire of like reach and CE, they turn up with an entire fleet, glass the dreadnought and the moon, invade earth for laughs and leave again
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11 OdpowiedziFor me, it boils down to this: it is part of Halo lore that the Covenant are using "found" forerunner tech for their military forces, and they lack a complete understanding of the science behind all of it. They basically found Dad's stash of guns and went on a spree with them, holding a coalition of other races together by force while they did so. The Hive have spent millennia honing their war craft as a fundamental part of their ideology. They have found ways to co-opt death, bypass it, using death to strengthen themselves even further. Their tech appears to be "magic", but just because there are arcane rituals involved doesn't mean it's not grounded in properties of the universe (i.e. it's "technology", just sufficiently advanced as to seem like "magic" as Clarke pointed out). Both civilizations are structured as theocracies, with religious principles underpinning their societies and imbuing their leadership with divine authority (although the Hive leadership may in fact actually be considered to be minor gods, unlike the Prophets which are certainly mere mortals). The difference is the goals-- the Covenant are evangelists, ultimately suicidal ones, who believe in converting or killing all those outside the hegemony. Their society seems to be much more nuanced than that of the Hive, what with politics, civil unrest and the other motivations beyond their religious beliefs informing their behavior (they have basic needs as "living creatures" that the Hive likely do not). The Hive also have other things going on, intrigue and infighting and what-not, but all of that serves what they see as their divine purpose, which is not evangelism or simply killing non-believers-- they want to kill ALL they can and help the universe achieve some "perfect state" as they see it, where only the strongest and best adapted can exist. Whereas the Covenant worship the Forerunners, they Hive literally worship death. Ultimately, I think the singular focus and rigid authoritarianism of the Hive would prevail, because the Covenant are still susceptible to the one thing that the Hive are immune to-- fear. Fear of death is something we mortals all share, humans and aliens alike. The Hive have no such dread-- indeed, death is the subject of their worship, and as such no race could be as ruthless and committed to a war as they, IMHO.
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The Hive, and their army of Taken. Oryx, The Taken King, Crota, The Son. Ir Halak and Ir Anûk, and their army of Desthsingers, with Omnigul by Crota's side. Taken Cabal, Vex, Fallen, and the most loyal Hive awaiting Oryx's command. Dreadnought and Tomb Ships ready for war.
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1 OdpowiedźDidn't the hive wipe out an advanced civilization that would of been roughly on par with the forerunners? A more interesting fight would be the flood vs the hive.
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Uhhhh the hive have gods
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Don't care
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Edytowany przez użytkownika OurWildebeest: 10/29/2015 6:05:31 PMWe killed Oryx (twice) barely a year into the franchise. He may or may not be the most powerful Hive ruler in the universe but he is near the top. We go in and solo him, then we go into his throne realm with a fireteam and kill him. We didn't beat the prophets until further into the Halo story, and when we did, it seemed less routine. We only succeeded with the "help" of the Flood. The issue is, the Covenant are one of two enemies for much of Halo (more come later), Hive are one of four main enemies from Destiny day 1, so it is hard to think any one of them are more powerful than the Covenant. If the Hive were so powerful, how are the Vex and Cabal still in such strong positions? (I think the Fallen only seem powerful because they have all fled to our system - I don't think they have much remaining power elsewhere.)
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THE GUARDIANS OUT OF NO WHERE DOO DOO DO DOOOOOOO
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2 OdpowiedziThe hive.... Oryx would just "Take" them all
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Surprised no-one has brought up Oryx and his siblings use of sword logic.
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4 OdpowiedziThe Covenant > all enemy factions I'm debating whether they would win to all enemy factions combined, my theory is it would be a chaotic FFA, if so Covenant would survive
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3 OdpowiedziDo the hive even have enough fire power to bust through Covenant ship shields? Watching the Fall of reach, the shields survived a nuke, mac rounds and what not, maybe the dreadnought Pulse thing but i doubt it, then again Destiny doesn't give us any info at all.
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6 OdpowiedziCovenant. Hive have been around before time began, yet, haven't dominated. --> useless militarily! Covenant have also been ageless. Have dominated. --> militarily, more useful. Oryx, Hive King now Taken King: had his arse handed to him by a solo guardian and again by a group of six guardians. Not impressed there either. If any of them were a contest, they would all fall to Spartan or Guardian military arse wupping! Period! Oryx died pretty damn fast for an 'almighty hive King'! I'll put my money on Mickey Mouse. At least he can dance...
