First of all, people like you need to learn that there's a pretty significant difference between an "elitist" and just a normal player without time to burn. Most people who make the requirement posts like myself simply do not have the amount of free time to have someone's weight pulling down the group. King's Fall is a hell of a lot less about individual player skill and a whole lot more about team based tactics and communication. If one player isn't pulling the weight because they don't know what to do, it's not like the other raids where someone can pick up the slack, that player is really dragging the whole effort down with them. I brought along a friend with no experience last night, and only had to explain everything once so he understood it, got all the way to Oryx and explained it once to him and he got it. Unfortunately a player in our group ran out of time and had to leave, then I pulled some random from LFG who lied about having Oryx experience, refused to listen and then completely failed multiple times. I proceeded to kick him from the group right away and replaced him with someone else with experience. Only took us two times after that to beat it. My point here is simple. If you're not going to learn how to do the raid, you're not going to be experienced at it. And if you're not experienced at it, then you're not going to be much of a help to people who really need it. Every time I see a post like this my reply is always the same, make your own group and set your own requirements. Stop bitching about other people's requirements.

My raid posts look like this: Must be 300+ light, have 4500+ Grimoire, have Black Spindle and Touch of Malice. Is this elitist? I don't think so. I just want to have something in common with the folks on my fire team. Commonality is what binds us.

They're not trying to be ass holes, but yes it is pretty messed up because here you are wanting to do the Raid but they won't let you. They don't want inexperienced players in their Fireteam because they don't have the patience to teach you. The Raid takes a bit of time as it is...So having to teach someone else how to do it merely holds every one else back who wants to get it done. It's definitely an unpopular thing to do, to limit who's with you because their skill, but I 100% agree with it. I'm sorry but I and a lot of others don't have the time and/or patience to teach newcomers to the Raid. We just wanna get in and get out. However there are days when I and so many others don't mind teaching people. I do it all the time. But there are still times I don't allow inexperienced players in my Raid...Why? Because at that particular moment I want to get it done and not f**** around. This is how it is and how it will be. Having someone experienced for your Raid Group is the most logical thing so naturally people will not want a newcomer. Surely you understand where they're coming from, even if they're dicks.

I have brought in people for that raids that's a light lvl 285. My requirements for the raid is simple. Have a mic and be willing to listen. That's it.

You're a day one player and don't have a raid group?

Fake it till you make it. That's what I had to do. Just say you know what you're doing to get into a group, especially with the mechanics of this new raid. I had absolutely no idea what I was doing the first time I dropped into oryx and after the first wipe I had it mostly figured out. Or you could go with the always useful "I know everyone plays different, so what is your preferred strategy" line. Works every time.

I used to agree with this, but after running with 4 groups who after an hour could not kill oryx, I'll only join experienced groups and I will speak up to boot people who consistently die or aren't pulling their weight. Sick of failing groups when the kill feed after one round of oryx shows me with 3 oger kills with 22 normal kills, next person has 5 kills....sad.

I posted this in another thread: ****im going to preface this with I have used LFG every day for 13 months now. Now while I have zero actual stats to back up my stance, I feel a years worth of daily LFG using, gives me an educated position.**** I have come across the same 1000 posts of "must me 300+ must have emblem". And I can honestly tell you out of those 1000 posts, 150 of them are written by actual elitists. I think we can all agree, technically, this is one of the toughest raids yet. Unlike like the last couple raids, no one can really get carried, especially in the latter part of the raid. Oryx is the epitome of everyone must carry their own weight. So with that said, the classic LFG proverb goes, [b]"those who can't do, invite in others to do it for them". [/b] So what you, me, and the next gentleman trying to enjoy destiny are truly victim to, is 850 posts of lvl 290-295s who just simply cannot do. They either don't understand the mechanic, struggle with the pace, or have been carried VoG, after Crota, after VOG. So dipping back to the ancient proverb, they are just following suit of the only thing they know, BRING IN THOSE WHO CAN DO IT FOR HIM. these posts are usually easy to sniff out by their desperate writing style. For example: "At oryx MUST BE 300+. Must have sniper, and must know strat. PLEASE SHOW EMBLEM FOR PROOF, want this done immediately. What that post tells you is: 1. He are really caught up on YOUR light level. Obsessed enough to be capped out. 2. His group obviously doesn't currently have the DPS power. He took the time to specifically ask for YOUR sniper rifle. 3. Why does your emblem matter? To you it means nothing, to him it means the world. To him it proves that you are a worthy one, the best of the best. You have come to rescue him. You just give him the strat, he just sits back for the carry. I cannot stress this enough. COMPLETELY STAY AWAY FROM THOSE POSTS. i can promise you, the time you saved on the LFG site, will be made up with countless wipes, and him blaming anyone, and anything he can. Outside of his playing ability of course. Now, to finally address the elitists. Listen, they are there. And there is nothing you or me can do about them. Most of them are respectful, and mingle within their own circle. They are just better than us, and that is OK. Here is an example of what kind of post you can get from a true elitist: "At oryx, please be competent with strat. Be able to DPS. Have a decent min/max. Send me message. Please have mic. What this post says: 1. Please be competent with strat, because we are. Elitists aren't going to lean on you, but want you to be apart of their well oiled machine 2. Just do DPS. In about one rotation they can tell if you can DPS or can't. And they really don't care how you get it done. 3. Have a decent min/max. Being capped out with intellect, or discipline, can come in extremely handy. Elitists know this (that why they are elite). If you ever feel your skills could match a posts like this, answer the call!!! Just don't be surprised when you get the quick boot. Now that we have the pretenders and the best addressed, let's get down to time, what you should be looking for, and where you should be looking for it. I know the search for a fireteam can be rather lengthy at times. However, if you're taking time out of your day to commit to a raid, taking an extra 5-10 minutes to find the right group should be of little consequence. There are a few genuine posts on LFG sprinkled in between all the bullshit. These posts will all have the buzz words: chill, blind run, first time, helping my buddy out, some experience, willing to help, etc... THESE ARE GOLD. Find one? Take it and run!!! I promise you, your raid experience will be everything you thought it could be. There are a couple great LFG sites that specialize in getting people into raids. 1. Destiny sherpa - elitists who are kind and dedicated in getting less experienced guardians thru the raid. 2. The100.io - they put your into a raid group after you answer 10-15 different qualifying questions. I really hope this helps, or at least gives you comfort in knowing you're not alone, and that most of the "elitist" posts are just shallow cries for help. Enjoy the rest of your day guardian!!!!!

Bump I agree too many elitists out there I'm 290 a noob and noones even given me the chance