Since this has been the standard rebuttal to people wanting some slight changes to the overturned Hammer of Sol, there were a few things I wanted to say: 1) The sentence in my title might sound witty, but is sadly off topic. Neither does it follow any logic, nor is it an argument. It's the thing you say when you have nothing else to say. 2) Especially hunters having had the strongest PvP classes overall, should know when something is over tuned. When the Hunter mains start to complain that something is too strong, you know that we have a balancing problem. It's like playing Counter Strike and AK 47 users complaining, that the new ZyX gun is too strong. They used one of the strongest guns in the game for years. They know what they talk about. Edit: Since a lot of people have trouble to understand this point as it was intended, I will add a little note. Of note: I am talking about what was the baseline for an OP super. I am not talking about what *should* be OP. The baseline in Y1, even after several nerfs, of what is considered OP, were Hunter supers. The new baseline for OP is the Hammer of Sol. 3) All supers have some forms of checks and balances. Arcblade is mobile and does solid damage, yet it has no range. Golden Gun has the range, mediocre mobility, but 0 defense. The Hammer of Sol however, has everything. It has very high damage output, very high defenses and adequate mobility. Nothing balances it in the way other mobile supers are balanced. 4) A Titan main, telling a Hunter main, that his opinion is invalid concerning this subject, is pretty much the definition of irony. Going down that route simply makes you look like a clown. 5) Luke Smith himself says that the damage resistance might be a bit too much and the he is over performing with the Sunbreaker, for a PvP player on his skill level. (Kotaku Podcast, min 45-47) 6) Most people saying "git gud and learn to counter it" with their 1.01 KD (or worse) and other very mediocre stats, should stop thinking that they understand the game mechanics. These people are not on any level to give that kind of advice. 7) Cue the insults, call me whiny and tell me how I am a hunter main (even though I mained a Voidwalker for the PvP for quite some time before TTK hit the shelves). Nothing of these things invalidate anything I said here. Edit Thanks to some great input, I want to add: 8) People going around and telling other users that they should simply stop whining, don't understand an integral part of this discussion: This is not about personal grief, getting killed by a HoS user or anything else along the lines. This is about the game's balance. And wanting a certain baseline that resembles what we call balance, has nothing to do with whining. Edit 2: Over 2000 posts, more than 100 upvotes and a lot of people staying rational and understanding what I wanted to say. Thank you for the participation guys. I definitely have more hope for the majority of this community, than I had before. Keep the comments coming!