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Edytowany przez użytkownika Shadow Artiste:
7/19/2015 1:54:57 PM
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The 2.0 Patch is a Nerf to Player Investment
I remember my first nightfall, 3 of us tried and failed so many times. It was week 1, Sepiks arc burn. We stood huddled in a Titan bubble, outgunned and under-levelled, and only two of us had arc weapons. After hours and several attempts, we gave up.
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1,000 hours later I walk up to Sepiks, wearing ancient Vault of Glass armour plundered from time itself and holding my Black Hammer, a LEGENDARY sniper rifle plucked from the bones of a slain God and infused with etheric light from the depths of the Awoken Queen's treasure hoard in reward for slaying the treacherous Kel of Kels, Skolas. Now [i]I[/i] am the boss, now [i]I[/i] am the powerful one. I ignore the pitiful minions and hammer away at Sepiks, I line my shots up with practiced precision - this time there is no bubble, this time there is no hiding, only the sound of my hammer rhythmically cracking away at the once powerful servitor like a rusty nail. Within minutes he is dead. I occasionally think back to that time when we couldn't beat him and remember just how far I've come.
Investment ...
The feeling of being powerful and rewarded is central and critical to video games. God forbid I defeat a god with his own sword and get rewarded with some awesome tool and use it to be more powerful. God forbid I become legend.
2.0 is troubling because it changes the nature of gear we have spent a very long time with, gear we spent a long time trying to get (it took nearly 100 tries for my Black Hammer), gear we upgraded and then upgraded again with etheric light (some exotics had to be levelled twice!), gear we've gotten attached to over the course of hundreds of battles. So this 2.0 feels very deflating, it goes against the feeling of growth and investment. It makes me less excited about getting new gear because it could get fundamentally changed. It makes me less attached to gear I already cherish - what if Bungie decides Fatebringer's firefly is just too powerful for a hand cannon?
Bungie, you wanted our guns to tell a story. Well, that's my story. I worked hard to get that gun and it's very special to my guardian. Please don't end that story with "and then one day my incredible sniper was suddenly really ineffective so I didn't really bother using it anymore."
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Edytowany przez użytkownika HobbitMaster12: 7/22/2015 10:57:52 AMThe 2.0 patch is ...... [spoiler]just a patch....[/spoiler]
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Just because you work hard for something doesn't mean it isn't really fūcking annoying. The thorn bounty is pretty hard, so does that mean Bungie shouldn't nerf thorn?
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Dude, it was the same with Auto Rifles in the 1.1.1 nerf. It outright invalidated player progress. I remember using Pulse Rifles (Red Death was my go-to even before the buff) and Handcannons before 1.1.1, and then started gravitating more towards Autos because they were legitimately fun to use. I'd buy a vendor one, grind away at it and max it out... spending hours of time and lots of resources to do so. Then suddenly this "just a 2.5% damage reduction" had taken the teeth out of my weapons. The buffs/nerf cycle has a way of making me just not really give a shit to get invested in particular weapons any more. You never know what's going to stay awesome and what's going to end up becoming feeble husks of their former selves.
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Bump. Well said sir.. Well said
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Necrobump
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Dude this is perfect
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1 OdpowiedźYou're all overreacting to this weapon tuning info. You act like your favorite weapons will suddenly become absolutely useless. They won't. They'll still be effective, but they won't be over-performing like they have been.
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2 OdpowiedziThis is not an investment. This is a game.
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6 OdpowiedziEdytowany przez użytkownika Vexrook: 7/22/2015 11:30:13 PMSeriously, people need to grow up about these changes in the 2.0 update. They are not belittling you, black hammer is still a boss after the changes. Its up too 21 shots (more with sniper ammo perk) of un interrupted sniper fire from a high impact sniper rifle. All they did is take away your infinite ammo. Seriously, all it does is make you move from your spot fron cheesing a strike boss and pick up a green ammo pack. I couldnt even call that a nerf. Just balancing the gun. Anyone who didn't see the Thorn/TLW ajustments or the Icebreaker/Gjallahorn nerfs. No progress is lost, nothing has been lost. Just roll with the changes man. Besides black hammer is the only legendary to be ajusted in a long time, and for good reason. Also on fatebringer, bungies not gonna touch it. Reason why, is because there gonna make it irrelivent.
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Just wait until ttk, max base level raised a along with light level, they will make all these weapons we've been grinding for and rerolling since HoW worthless. Not going to give us more vault space, so the answer is make all those weapons you've collected be complete shit compared to the "new" weapons in ttk. (most likely just more reskins)
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3 OdpowiedziDude well said. Can't help feeling ripped off with 2.0 patch. I have lost count of how many hard Crota and Vog I had to do chasing black hammer and gally. All my friends that started playing after me had it, I was the most active of us all. Over 1000hours invested into destiny and I was still chasing black hammer and gally, I still believed it will drop hence me doing all weekly activities chasing those weapons. Finally when HOW came out I got mine from a vanguard package I had left in the vault to open after HoW. I felt excited, my son and mrs looked at me when I screamed at my mic, "shit I got the gally". I was like a child again in that moment lol. I upgraded it within 24hrs cos I was so excited about that gun. Now I feel like all the excitement and build up was all a waste. Grinded many hours for what?
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Edytowany przez użytkownika BraXdaLe: 7/22/2015 11:15:46 PMWell said!!! Really the only thing that needs to B fixed is the range of hand cannons in PvP leave the rest
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Agree 100%
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Well said..!!! That is 100% what I feel....! They should just making more contents ...more adventures...so we can try our lovely guns ...and maybe we will acquired more guns. We don't need so many guns...just the one that unique perks. Nerfing any guns or armors is so no no no..never ever do that...this is for PVE. in PVP...that is a different story.
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1 OdpowiedźWell said! If a company likes to make my time investment no longer worth anything, I'm not going to continue investing anymore time into their game. Because no matter what amount of time I invest, they're going to turn around and nerf the next 'big thing'... Don't 'fix' the guns, fix the sponges. Some mechanics are a lot of fun, but if it's some guy with a huge health pool and pretty strong attacks, it's just annoying after a the first couple of run throughs. Valus rockets, Pho'goth eye lasers, Sekrion splash attacks. They're all very strong attacks and very bullet spongy bosses. No 'mechanics' of the fight other than when/how more adds spawn. A fight like Crota or Atheon was a lot more enjoyable. You can do it with whatever weapons you want, because the mechanics of the fight made the weapon choice not the foremost decision. Granted, the right weapons make it 'easier', but as OP insinuates, what's the point of becoming "Legendary" if I can't actually FEEL "Legendary" with the awesome weapons I've acquired through my adventures?
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2 OdpowiedziEdytowany przez użytkownika T1000: 7/22/2015 2:06:21 PMAll true but the nerf will go on. These weapons make the new content too easy and the new guns in tTK pointless. Do you think bungie all of the sudden cares about exclusivity? They would have nerfed it already for that, or even easier, sell ghorn again then everyone would have it and no one would be left out. They are nerfing it because like many boss fights, it breaks the next raid mechanic. Ghorn enabled burning prison bosses, burning skolas in 40 seconds, burning atheon, one person downing crota, ect. Black hammer probably also breaks something in the next raid. Same with icebreaker. Think sniping oracles but harder. So they nerfed them
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Bump. #SaveGjallarhorn
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This really sums it up perfectly. Ever play a game as a kid and someone declared a new rule mid-game? It's simply not fun to play a game where the rules are subject to change at any given moment. It was bullshit when I was 6 and it's bullshit when I'm 30.
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Really well said. Best post I've seen on here in a long time.
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1 OdpowiedźEdytowany przez użytkownika Calculus-Entropy: 7/22/2015 11:21:11 AMAgreed. They marketed this as a 10yr journey. I assumed part of that would be building on things you did in the beginning. Having epic battles and walking away victorious with an item you cherish. There is no cherishing anything in Destiny. The mentality is to use what's good while you have it before people cry about either not having it or having their feelings hurt because it killed them. I wanted this to be a journey. I wanted to feel the awesomeness of having items like Fang and Gjallarhorn drop for me and feel like I'm getting somewhere. I didn't expect those weapons to be the best for 10yrs, but I did plan on having them in my arsenal for years to come when there was a need. I planned on seeing better weapons with new unique perks that I wanted more. I didn't plan on needing new weapons every 18 weeks because the items I fought to get have changed. I have little motivation now to grind for that "truly awesome" weapon. By the time I get it, it might just be worthless anyways. I'm losing faith in this whole journey and I'm not even 10% of the way in.
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1 OdpowiedźWell said. It's like Bungie is throwing in the towel and said, we can't make the game harder, we will just make it harder for YOU. I too feel like this patch is a kick in the nuts to all the hard work and multiple leveling of some gear. The level disparity modifier was their first attempt to dial players back, then we just spam burned Skolas with whatever burn they had that week. Too easy they said, no burn for you. "We nerfed his health 50% but removed the 300% modifier, nothing to see here...." Did they think no one could do math?
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They r making us to delete our year one weapons becos they cant give us the extra vault space.
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Well seeing as black hammer is the only gun that ca sunblock a boss for 18-21 rounds of damage If you think it's useless, calling you retardered would be a insult to the mentally chanlanged
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Become mediocre On a related topic: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/139284395/0/0
