[Note: I'm editing my initial post to make things easier to read while including more detailed explanations.]
1) Opening Rant...
[spoiler]Ok, I was content to laugh at people being all 'doom and gloom' this morning, but I need to say something here. People, you need a sense of perspective and you need it badly. It's a video game, that's it. I've seen every manner of complaint and petition this morning, even one dude going so far as to start a petition on the White House website to stop the nerf. Seriously?
The point was to bring Gjallarhorn back to earth a bit and allow other heavy weapons to become more viable. Let's be honest, Gjallarhorn has become an elitist symbol for many people and that's just ridiculous. Not a single person on this game [i]earned[/i] their Gjallarhorn and to exclude others because they didn't have the same [i]random-ass luck[/i] as you did is offensive. Those of you now assuming it's going to swing the other way and make people MORE elitist are the problem here, not this nerf. Point blank, if you need a full fireteam of Gjallarhorns for ANY of the end game content on Destiny, you're not very good at this game.
Atheon?: He's actually easier to kill with high impact snipers or heavy machine guns because Gjallarhorns or other rocket launchers usually cause him to move.
Crota?: As a 34, two Gjallarhorn shots bring Crota down. That's ONE PERSON with a Gjallarhorn in your fireteam and you're good. Now that means you need two...damn, that's rough. How will you ever cope?
Skolas?: Gjallarhorns don't matter for Skolas, teamwork and communication do. Each and every time I've beaten Skolas (usually once a week since HoW hit) I've done it with 2 fireteam members having Gjallarhorn. It was only this past week that I had a full fireteam with 3 Gjallarhorns and it wasn't much easier anyway.
And for the record, I have a Gjallarhorn on each character (sharded 5 more) and I love it, but I'm not losing my mind over something as dumb as this. If this nerf bothers you that much that you'd try to get a White House petition going to stop it, you need to take a step back and reevaluate your life. Seriously.[/spoiler]
2) Reasons for the nerf(s)...
First let me say that I don't necessarily agree with Bungie's nerfs, but I am attempting to explain why I think that [i]they think the nerfs are necessary[/i].
a) General weapon balance:
[spoiler]I feel like Bungie has a baseline that they're trying to keep all guns within a certain distance of as far as relative power level goes, with weapons increasing in power level by rarity. With TTK right around the corner, and with it a light level increase for us that will render Skolas an easy foe, I feel like Bungie is trying to reset their baseline in prep for Year 2. Gjallarhorn was too far above the baseline (as were Ice Breaker, Black Hammer, and exotic hand cannons) so it's been toned down a bit. Auto rifles were a bit too far under the baseline (as were Hard Light and Necrochasm) so they've been pumped up a bit. All in all, I feel like the weapons are being balanced [i]with each other[/i] in order to restore what Bungie wants as the baseline for all the Year 2 content. I don't necessarily agree with their tactics, I'm just trying to make an educated guess as to their motivations for the changes.[/spoiler]
b) LFG exclusivity:
[spoiler]I think this one is easy to recognize, and I agree with Bungie on this part. A gun that is given as a random reward should not be a status symbol used to divide people.
Despite all the arguments that have been given, I'm going to stick to my guns on this statement...it is IMPOSSIBLE to EARN a Gjallarhorn. In order to really earn it, there would have to be a specific in-game action or bounty that would ALWAYS result in a Gjallarhorn as a specific reward. That simply does not exist. Through raids, nightfalls, Trials, and so on, we can earn exotic CHANCES, but those are basically like raffle tickets: you don't always win what you want. Now you can certainly increase your odds in being randomly rewarded with a Gjallarhorn by doing more endgame activities, but there is still no way to actually EARN a Gjallarhorn, hence the reason that it is unfair to use it as a status symbol or as a condition of entry into groups.
I know that Bungie has stated that they want us to form our own groups and, therefore, did not put in-game matchmaking for endgame activities in Destiny. I'm also aware that some people believe that in-game matchmaking would solve this issue, but I disagree. The same Gjallarhorn elitism exists on the Bungie forums to a degree, and would exist in an in-game matchmaking system unless it was a forced match system like on Weekly Heroics (and I don't think players want that type of system for raid recruiting). It's not the LFG system or lack thereof that's the problem, it's the attitude of some of the users that's the problem. I think that Bungie is within their rights to use that as a partial justification for this specific nerf.[/spoiler]
c) Usage statistics and in-game behaviors:
[spoiler]As the game developers, Bungie has a vested interest in ensuring the game plays out like they've envisioned. When that doesn't happen, it motivates them to make adjustments.
Gjallarhorn, Ice Breaker, and Black Hammer are all really powerful weapons that are very heavily used and can be used to deviate from the designed game mechanics. As far as I can see, it's no coincidence that they were all affected by the upcoming nerfs. When "melt his face with Gally in 15 seconds!" or "37 consecutive critical hits on [insert strike boss name here] with Black Hammer for the win!" or "they can't see me from here, I'll just sit back with my endless Ice Breaker ammo and snipe until everything is dead!" replace actually engaging the enemy or other game mechanics, Bungie considers that a problem. And let us be honest with one another...those weapons are often times used as a crutch even when they're not necessary.
Imagine that Bungie was a swordsmith that you've contracted to make you a sword so that you can sword fight that Crota guy to the death for constantly pointing at you. Bungie puts their blood, sweat, and tears into that sword, but when the time for the duel rolls around, you just rocket the dude instead. They would most likely feel let down, that all their work was for nothing. See where in headed with this one? I'm not necessarily implying that Bungie's feelings are hurt, just that they see weapons being used for crutches to avoid difficulty as a problem and that's just not the way they intended their game to be played. Hence the nerf to those the specific weapons.[/spoiler]
d) TTK incoming:
[spoiler]Bungie isn't dumb. They know that we would all fight tooth and nail to keep using our Gjallarhorn or Fatebringer, and so on. They also, I'm assuming, know that they would completely lose most of their player base if they just arbitrarily took them away. So instead, they weaken Year 1 weapons, especially the OP exotics, to pave the way for Year 2 gear. Seems to be a not-so-clever marketing move on Bungie's part, wouldn't you say?[/spoiler]
Again, I do not necessarily agree with all those reasons, I'm just trying to explain what I believe Bungie's reasons to be.
3) Common arguments that I DISAGREE with...
a) The Gjallarhorn nerf will ruin the gun:
[spoiler]This is probably the most frustrating argument against the nerf. We're not talking anything major here. If we go by the other nerfs in the upcoming rebalance, we're probably looking at a 20 to 30% reduction in Wolfpack round damage with a slight increase in blast radius of the initial rocket.
Let me show you what I mean by using some basic math. I will not be using exact numbers because, honestly, I don't know them, but the numbers I'm using are pretty widely accepted.
For our argument, let's say that currently, Gjallarhorn + Wolfpack rounds is the equivalent of two regular rockets-worth of damage, or 200% regular rocket damage. Meaning, assuming you have the heavy ammo boost on your boots, each clip of 7 Gjallarhorn rockets is the equivalent of 14 regular rockets.
-If Wolfpack round damage is reduced by 20%, each shot from a Gjallarhorn will be equivalent to 1.8 regular rockets or 180% of regular rocket damage. A whole clip of 7 would then be the equivalent of 12.6 regular rockets. Meaning that over 1 clip, you'd do roughly the same damage as 6.3 current Gjallarhorn shots...less than 1 round of difference. Not to mention, if the initial blast from rockets are increased by 5% (estimate), then you'd do roughly the same damage as 6.45 current Gjallarhorn shots.
-Same math, this time with a 30% reduction to the damage from Wolfpack rounds. Each Gjallarhorn shot is 1.7 regular rockets or 170% of regular rocket damage. A whole clip is then the equivalent of 11.9 regular rockets. Meaning that over 1 clip of 7, you'd do the same damage as 5.95 current Gjallarhorn shots or 6.1 current Gjallarhorn shots with the extra blast radius.
So based on simple math and educated guesses, we can assume that we'll lose 1 regular Gjallarhorn shot worth of damage per clip. That's it. Considering that current endgame content isn't super challenging, and with our light level increase from TTK, even Skolas will be pretty simple. Nothing to get worked up about as far as I'm concerned. (Again, my math is hypothetical, but I believe it to be a safe assumption. This point might change a bit once actual percentages are released.)[/spoiler]
Deep breath, Guardians, it's gonna be ok.
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#Destiny
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2 OdpowiedziIt's obvious to anyone that has been playing Destiny for a while. They are just trying to prolong the game (make strikes, raids etc take longer to beat). But why do you ask...lack of content. Yep that should be a huge indicator on how much actual content will be in TTK. Take the ice breaker nerf for example, so they said they did that because people were just soloing strikes and nightfalls and just using the ice breaker...lol ok lol I don't see how raising the regen ammo timer is going to keep that from happening, it's simply going to take longer to solo...that's it. And you can chalk that up to the juggler perk. And the black hammer nerf...yea I get it, but it's pointless. It's still going to be beast for bosses with no reload...and it's not like we don't have tons of green ammo stored up from key farming(looking back on that geez did we waste a ton of time for garbage lol). Anyway the point is this really isn't a "weapon balance" it's more of a Game Balance. They know there's no content. They know what's going to be in TTK... (we shouldn't expect higher standards from the standards they have already set) so again these nerfs to boss killers are simply content extenders. That's it.
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8 OdpowiedziI'm more pissed that they're nerfing EVERYTHING. Lord of Wolves and Hand Cannons getting nerfed is what pisses me off to no end. The other nerfs are awful too, but don't -blam!-ing touch my Shrapnel Launcher.
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5 OdpowiedziAnd you're taking those people WAY too seriously with a novel of a post. Just ignore them
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5 OdpowiedziSo it took from launch to decide to do this when this weapon is embedded in Destiny culture? Bungie said that they didn't want people to select people to play with based on the fact that they had or did not have ghorn. So now people will select people based on the fact that they have truth now? Ot maybe it still might be ghorn. These nerfs are going to kill much of the fun people have in thinking they acquired an OP weapon, now all the weapons will feel like balloons with the air released from them .. flat!
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3 OdpowiedziNo we're taking this seriously because it's a symptom of a growing problem in that if a gun gets overused or popular Bungie nerfs the shit out of it and it's weapon class instead of trying to give us more options or buffing current exotics to be more attractive choices.
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1 OdpowiedźTook me 9 months to get my Gjallahorn and I love it :) 👊 the Nerf dont bother me as I did the game without it :)
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3 OdpowiedziDon't get me wrong, I agree with almost everything you've said but its not the people who believe LFG will be worse now that are the problem. The problem is there will actually be more posts on LFG requiring GH now. Pointing that out and believing it's necessary are two different things. I love my GH too...just wish they'd gone with something more likely to solve the problem they intended to solve. This won't.
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8 OdpowiedziNah I def earned my gally if you are going to claim you are a "day one player" without gally you BETTER have tried every time I see these scrubs crying about it they have less than 10 raids completed god i hate scrubs
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5 OdpowiedziAs long as I can one rocket kill a minotaur in VoG hard I don't really mind the nerf.
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1 OdpowiedźWow, great read! If only there were more people like you in this community. People do not realize that gjallahorn isn't the only way to kill a boss. Actually, no one is even sure what the damage reduction will be yet.
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5 OdpowiedziWe chased a Unicorn not a donkey.
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1 OdpowiedźPeople take this whole game too seriously, it's pathetic. I swear to god, Destiny is all some people have.
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3 OdpowiedziWell actually, you know what? Now that I think of it more this nerf MIGHT actually be a decent thing. Black hammer will not be as good but it'll still be really good. Gjallarhorn still has the Wolfpack rounds. And Ice Breaker will have an extra 3 seconds. So what? The black hammer nerf is getting what it deserves. And who knows, maybe they'll add a new exotic sniper that has that perk. And maybe they'll add a better Gjallarhorn... I'm anxious to see what happens in TTK
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1 OdpowiedźBest thing I've read on forums for weeks.. people take it way to serious.. lmao. Good post man.
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1 OdpowiedźOnly people that not have life complaining
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1 OdpowiedźYou're right; but I love it being super epic powerful. Elitist did ruin this though -_-
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1 OdpowiedźTruth has better trackin any way rather hit my target than hope for it
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2 OdpowiedziDrop the beat! Turn that bass up! Once met a kid. His name was Dark Ninjanut He said he wanted crota he had the Ghorn He came in the group, he sound like he had no nuts And then we got the sword time to drop crota. But punk ninjanut said he had no rockets..... WTF! WTF! GTFO! Scruuuuuuub! WTF! WTF! GTFO! Scruuuuuuuuub! Now this any the end. In his whinny voice he said Mom not now! I'll brush my teeth later He said he needed to go back to town and buy some rockets We gave the guy a chance and waited for him while dancing 5 mins later he came on the mic with his whinny girl voice and said Ah man, sorry guys. I got no glimmer what am I gonna do? WTF! WTF! GTFO! Scruuuuuuuub! WTF! WTF! GTFO! Sruuuuuuuuuub! Moral of the story if you see this kid Dark NinjaNut Don't invite him to the party don't listen to his posts Some kids can play destiny but this cat needs to stick to Pokemon! Peace out!
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1 OdpowiedźGjallarhorn is one of those weapons that only early investors of a game will be able to obtain. It will only become more rare and saught after later on. Does it create a sense of power and one of the lucky few, yes. But all of the players shouldn't be punished only because a few elitist players are...well, elitist. I want to be able to show someone on Destiny 3 "Check this baby out", but I won't exclude them from my raid group or anything. Plus, its just so damn fun to use! Destiny will not be as much fun after the Gjally and BH nerf.
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2 OdpowiedziEdytowany przez użytkownika hgtyhgtyhgtyh: 7/20/2015 1:33:46 AMThey can nerf my gjallarhorn when they pry it from my cold dead hands...bruh
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5 OdpowiedziJellyhorn is o ly getting a small berf ti wolfpack rounds. I dont see the big deal here
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Now people will just Lfg for MORE Gjallarhorns because you'll need MORE damage.
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1 OdpowiedźI for one am not too distraught over it as much as how bungie is proceeding with this game as a whole. It's pretty bad. I have played many evolving games and Destiny really doesnt seem to evolve much if at all. I have come to accept that it's the limitation for this iteration. Perhaps in destiny 2 we will see full potential. Besides that, still a good experience with friends and family though :) That being said, Bungie can do faaaaaaaaar better.
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10 OdpowiedziWhile I think it's an unnecessary nerf, anyone who is this mad... is afraid they cannot win without it?
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1 OdpowiedźI agree
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17 OdpowiedziIf everything about your analysis is true. Then you just made the best case for NOT nerfing the gally. If it really doesn't matter then what's the point of nerfing it. So it's basically just a punitive nerf and not a logical one.