I like how they intend to make scout rifles worth something in the crucible however nurfing hand cannons... really apparently 2 burst kills are cool but ow no I can 2 shot guardians with a hand cannon and lastly can you stop -blam!-ing my with my fusion rifle obsession plz like give me crit shots in pve at min cuz I can't use then in pvp anymore without getting Merced by a sniper or shotty or red death

I don't use IB, BH that often. Don't care about GHorn being nerfed, even though its fun to melt people. So I like it.

I went until the last 3 weeks with no Gallys, now have 3. I don't see what the big fuss is about with lowering the damage a bit. Hand cannons needed a huge nerf, auto rifles needed a big buff. Ice breaker was just fine, bad nerf. Black hammer was just fine too, very bad nerf. Just delete the No Land Beyond Time, it's a horrible P.o.S..... Followed closely by Dragon's Breath. Liking the Necro and Hard Light changes, looking forward to trying them. Basically, I feel guns should feel unique, but, have their down sides too. When a huge majority uses the same guns, it just screams that either people are lemmings or that those guns are superior. The perfect world would have equal footing for every weapon of the same level, when used as intended. When a Thorn can out shoot a scout rifle at long range, something is broken. Either buff the scout or nerf the thorn. Think it's easier to adjust the lessor effected items. And we haven't even tested the changes, so why are there so many crybabies already?!

Is this update already love or not? When do the nerds take place? I literally completed my thorn bounty yesterday

Almost three quarters of this supposedly weapons tuning only screws over the PvE experience, yes it is true that they fixed some of the biggest PvP issues but why I keep going further? It seems all they want to do is flex their little muscles and show that they are the boss and that they can do whatever they want it seems rather childish to me

The changes to fusion rifles seem much more nerf than buff. We'll have to see how it plays out in practice.

Can't wait. It brings something fresh to a game that was becoming stale. Now boss fights will hopefully feel more like a boss fight and pvp won't feel like a thorn fest. Anyway. Can't wait for this to drop and TTK to follow closely behind it.

All people wanted was a thorn nerf so bungie decided to break every weapon to teach us a lesson

Why the hell are they killing every gun... RIP Destiny. I literally read this update, and was screaming at my phone throughout the entirety. The [b]only[/b] sigh of relief came upon reading that snipers weren't really touched.. every other thing I read both infuriated and disappointed me to such an extent that I honestly just lost all interest in this ridiculous troll of a game/company. Bungie decided to take a shit on every single hour (all ~1700 of them) that I have spent in this game, not just once, but many times over... with such drastic and continuous change to the weapon dynamics, [i]they have turned what was once a great experience, with exciting engagements, an all around fun game, with great mechanics,a game in which I wasn't fighting with my gun to get it to cooperate[/i], into a perpetual aggravation with frustratingly drawn-out engagements that feel like a battle with the gun mechanics instead of the enemies, no sense of reward or accomplishment, just a constant sense of turmoil knowing that the second you find something that you like, it will inevitably get nerfed the next week. What the -blam!- made you think that nerfing EVERYTHING was a good idea?!... (to nerf anything in PvE is just ridiculous) Bungie, you guys need to pull your heads out of your pretentious asses, and STOP TRYING TO FORCE EVERYONE INTO THIS IDEALISTIC, COOKIE CUTTER METHOD OF PLAYING THE GAME. THIS GAME WAS A LOT OF FUN UNTIL YOU TOOK AWAY EVERY SINGLE ASPECT THAT MADE IT THAT WAY. With this series of changes, you will have ultimately sucked the last few drops of life from the mutilated, empty husk that once was Destiny, I hope this was your goal, to kill your "ten year game" two years-in. Because this particular weapon rebalance will take an already stale experience and make it so frustratingly tedious and monotonous, so drastically dissatisfying, that it will no longer be worth wasting my time trying to adapt to your ever-changing ideal of "the way the game should be played" Stop being so controlling, it's killing your game. You got me hooked and then changed the formula.. I want the Destiny that I fell in love with back, please... Let me know know if you guys ever decide to make this game enjoyable again.. until all these weapon balance fiascos are reversed, I think I'll just take a break from your little troll game of proverbial cat and mouse. I can't handle the disappointment anymore.

Too many nerfs honestly. I'm fine with base weapon/perk adjustments... But exotics and blackhammer didn't need to change, save for Thorn.

I love the change on the snipers w final round perfect :). But i think that ghorn should be nerfed a little more. A 20% woldpack dmg decrease is better.

Don't think enough people realise that all the old perks are getting nerfed as well (field scout , hammer forged etc) . All weapons are being brought into line . I like it .

Buffs are all nice and needed but a lot of the nerfs are just straight bull. HC in general don't need a nerv at all, there fine just the way they are, Thorn needs and gets his nerf, TLW is okay too but the rest including the Hawkmoon should be left alone. Hawkmoon has to suffer the General nerf and gets robbed of his exotic perk to have a one shot kill with one bullet in like 25, that has to hit plus on an full health enemy to benefit you. Black hammer nerv is just ridiculous, the only really good weapon they made in dark below becomes now useless. For me it was always a very situational weapon, only used it on solar burn Nightfalls and for not much moving Endbosses like the walker or the Servitors, everything else I like my spear with Field Scout better. Icebreaker was almost useless before the nerf if u wasn't extrem camping in an exploit spot. Gjalla is a special one for sure. The only maxed Gjalla problem is there since Crota and they gave a shit and now they notice it? Really? If they wouldn't block it from Xur it would be just fine. It was the biggest trophy u could get in this game, it deserves its status as absolute wrecking machine. Plus like others said I'm thinking it will increase the only maxed Gjally problem because u (think) u need more. Now we can have a little variety u say? You allready have it, no one says u have to kill Skolas with Gjally, just use your Thunderlord if u like to. It's Bungie again to dictate us how we have to play their game like it was with the Loot Cave and with the AR nerf and and and...

[b]Yep, best update ever.[/b] They are giving Us [b][i]more Vault space[/i][/b] by [i]reforging[/i] every weapon into garbage and thus allowing Us to dismantle and get rid of all that garbage. We'll have more space to store all the new weapons that will be introduced on TTK that will be nerfed and become garbage to dismantle before the next DLC/release.