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Edytowany przez użytkownika XAMANDER:
6/4/2015 4:56:14 PM
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Over 80% of first place finishers use hand cannons.
I kept track of what primary weapon the first place finisher on the wining and losing team used in PvP. And over 80% used hand cannons. Out of those hand cannons nearly 90% were either TLW or Thorn. The vex and red death came in a distant 3rd and 4th. First place players hardly ever used auto rifles or scout rifles.
Bungie has stated in the past they want to see PvP players using all the different weapon types and not see one particular weapon or weapon type being used more than another. Basically saying they want to see balanced weapons in the crucible. But when nearly all of first place finishers are only using 3 or four 4 weapons and the top 2 weapons are hand cannons then you know there's a major problem.
I think Bungie has taken the right steps so far by nerfing auto rifles and fusion rifles and buffing pulse rifles and scout rifles. Now it's time to take a serious look at hand cannons.
I know i didn't take into account grenade kills, heavy weapon kills, or special weapon kills, but i still think it's strong enough evidence that hand cannons, particularly TLW and Thron, are horribly overpowered.
Edit: I kept track of 200 matches. After each match you have 30 seconds to view the leaderboards before you are brought to the matchmaking lobby. I simply inspected the first place finishers on both the winning and losing team. About 50 or so people left matchmaking before i could inspect them. So i recorded about 350 first place finishers and their primary weapon.
Edit 2: I should make clear that the problem is with TLW and Thorn and not hand cannons in general. If there is going to be a nerf then it should only apply to TLW and Thorn.
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2 Odpowiedzi[quote]I think Bungie has taken the right steps so far by nerfing auto rifles and fusion rifles and buffing pulse rifles and scout rifles. Now it's time to take a serious look at hand cannons[/quote] So what you're saying is you only want to see pulse rifles and scout rifles in crucible? Because that's what will happen. People will use whatever weapons are most efficient. How about instead of nerfs, we just buff AR's back where they used to be and buff players health in crucible?
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Yea hand cannons need faster drop off damage
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19 OdpowiedziI mean hand cannons are high skill weapons which kinda means the best of the best will use them
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7 OdpowiedziMessanger biotch. Didn't touch a Handcannon last week.
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1 OdpowiedźIts not the players fault , blame bungie for nerfing all the other weapons into the ground!
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2 OdpowiedziCan the jewel of osiris get some love?
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I'm using my MIDA in pvp right now because I love the thing......but it feels like a constant uphill battle. Also I'm not very good at pvp.
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I'm lvling my new tlw up....and wreaking face at the same time
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2 OdpowiedziIdk for sure but the fact you didn't list hawkmoon must mean you play on XBox lol.
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I use Suros and managed to go top three. I WANT THE REAL SUROS BACK!
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Yep. Kind of sad because using a hand canon over and over and over again is so boring to me. I like to change it up but I know I might be sacrificing a win
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3 OdpowiedziI don't believe scouts were ever buffed?
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it be like that lol
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4 OdpowiedziI know how to fix every gun in pvp........ Make them all 1 hit body shot kills with the same range. Noone can then say there gun is better or worse. But in all seriousness Thorn and TLW need a range buff. Thorns dot needs to only take health down to 15% not burn you out if you escape or win the gunfight.
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Or how about just buff auto rifles and fusion rifles so they can compete and boom we're done.
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Try telling us the sample size next time because for all I know this was done in 10 games
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1 OdpowiedźPeople also complain about: -Thorn in crucible -Gjallarhorn in crucible -Not having Gjallarhorn -Suros being overpowered -Suros needing a re-buff -Vex being overpowered -Vex needing a re-buff -Fist of Havoc -Scorch Melee -Bladedancer -Golden Gun -Voidwalkers super -Titan's grenades -Helm of Saint-14 & Bubble combo -Warlocks fusion grenades -Any grenade that existed rather -Felwinters lie -Shotguns in general -Crota being broken -No vault space -Rockets in crucible -Lmgs in crucible -Heavy ammo being too constant in crucible -Heavy ammo being too few in crucible -Special ammo being too few in crucible -Special ammo being too plenty in crucible -Bloom in crucible -Camping in crucible -Others being better than them in crucible -Others being worse than them in crucible -AFK-ers (granted that's worth a complaint) -The loot system -Getting a really good weapon meanwhile they wanted a No Land Beyond because it's the only exotic they need. -No Land Beyond being the worst weapon ever. -When killed by No Land Beyond they complain -Going invisible as a hunter in general -Blink jumping as hunter/warlock -Blink shotgunning -Titans jumping higher than hunters -Titans not having enough health because they're the tank class. -Warlocks need protection as they self-res -There not being bumpers on the edges of crucible maps because they walk off too often -Snipers in crucible -The Last Word being overpowered in crucible -Red Death being overpowered in crucible -Stranger's rifle being too overpowered in crucible -Any pulse rifle in crucible being too overpowered -Xur selling something good -Xur selling something bad -Xurning vs Earning -Nechrochasm needing a buff -Auto Rifles needing a nerf -Auto rifles needing a buff -Thorn's exotic bounty being too hard to try and work towards -Master Rahool not giving them everything they ever wanted in life -Eris in general -Kill target public events being too hard -Heavy ammo glitch being used at crota -Heavy ammo glitch not being used at crota -Map rotation -Iron Banner armor being lvl 32 even though they never do it because it requires much more time and effort and skill to get compared to a raid. -Nightfall rewards being terrible -Complain about the modifiers in the Nightfalls making the nightfall what its supposed to be. A challenge. -Error codes (Yes they are annoying but it is something people complain about so it fits in this list) -Confluxes in Vault of Glass being too hard -Hobgoblins in general -Raid Sparrows not being cool enough to be a raid sparrow -The recruitment section only asking for 32's with gjallarhorn (yes that is a stupid requirement but once again people complain) -Omnigul's strike -Omnigul's scream -Cheating a piece of a raid -Not cheating a piece of a raid -There not being a trading system -Fatebringer being too overpowered in general so it should stay at 300 -Fatebringer needing to be upgraded to 365 -Crucible being stupid in general -Titan Bubbles being overpowered -Shoulder Charge in crucible -No raid being in HoW DLC. -Upon HoW dropping someone else has stated that the new exotic armor sets will cause more complaints as to each character will get buffs and make their class more powerful. -Guardian armor looking the same at lvl 32 (HoW will change all of that yayyy!) -Complaints about people complaining. (I'm not complaining Lol just making a list for people's enjoyment.) -People capturing closest point at the start of a control match. (Occurred a lot on the forums during last Iron Banner) -Orbit taking too long -The younger ages (squeakers as it's called)playing Destiny -The apparent 19% of those who've played Destiny on the PlayStation completing a raid -Not having a helmet in tower -Having a helmet in tower (even though it's optional) -Being unable to change a characters appearance after creating their character -Bungie fixing Iron Banner Glitch (buying items at start of Iron Banner) -Bounty for killing 2 targets with a fusion rifle burst 20 times -Trying to send an invite to someone with an extremely long/crazy "xXSo0purxC0o1kiDXx"(made up Lol) after posting an LFG -When you post on LFG, " Send message in game to xXSo0purxC0o1liDXx for invite and they reply to your post on the forums instead -Blues from legendary engrams, shards and energies from legendary engram Kids will throw tantrums It is inevitable Edit: Edited for ease of reading, and removed the double trading comment. Double shifts at work suck...
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You're a plague to these forums.
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As far as I'm concerned, gun balance in this game hasn't gotten any better at all since release, it's only shifted in different directions and probably won't ever be "balanced."
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Down voted Stop crying and gg scrub
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It's funny how one class gets nerfed and other seems op. There will always be that one weapon that's overused that seems op. Nerfs fix nothing.
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17 OdpowiedziEdytowany przez użytkownika JayTeazyy: 6/2/2015 4:58:33 PMRebuff autos and I wont use HC's all the time Also too OP, you have that dumbass mentality that everything needs to be nerfed. If HC's are nerfed then crucible is just bad juju and red death. When the pulse s's are nerfed, it'll just be muda's everywhere. When scouts are nerfed, crucible will just be slower paced within even longer kill time. Then, autos will be used the most once more, and so the cycle continues until everything does 2 damage to a crit and 1 to a body.
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They're not overpowered. Everything else is horrifically underpowered.
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2 OdpowiedziI use MIDA unless the other team is all Thorns. Then I fight fire with fire.
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it would be interesting if destinytracker crunched the crucible data since there is insight as to which weapon type was used to get the kill (e.g. viewing match history).
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Edytowany przez użytkownika Toketotem: 6/2/2015 5:59:09 PMThey just need to balance primary weapon time to kill. the difference in weapons time to kill is silly in Destiny. Last word is like .59 seconds or something ridiculous like that.
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