In this post i will attempt to do what many others have tried before me - Try to reason with the Destiny forums and talk about the OP weapons in PvP. And PLEASE make an attempt to read it. I have over 70 days played at this point and 3000 hours played on my Xbox time tracker. I have gone 9-0 and went to the Lighthouse and i am not starting this post because i am "salty". I have kept my mouth shut mostly, but something needs to be done. Lets face it. 90%+ of every PvP player is using one of these weapons and YOU most likely are too. And it REALLY says something when almost EVERY SINGLE team you go against in the Trials Of Osiris is using one of these weapons! Now i'm not blaming anyone for using them, honestly you really have no choice but to use them at some points. But people really need to understand just how game breaking these weapons are. For instance there are hundreds and hundreds of guns. Why am i limited to using only 4? The weapon balance in Destiny probably has the worst effective to innefective i have ever witnessed. Just ask yourself why you see literally every single person in the Trials use them. The answer is simple; because they are more effective than everything else! To further give you an example lets take a look at every weapon in Destiny(that i can remember, i might miss a few)that is second rate but SHOULD be as effective as the the top 4 exotics used. [b]Legendaries only[/b] Primaries: 1. Atheons Epilogue 2. Fatebringer 3. Vision Of Confluence 4. Praedyths Timepiece 5. Word Of Crota 6. Fang Of Ir Yut 7. Abyss Defiant 8. Oversoul Edict 9. Timurs Lash 10. Silimars Wrath 11. Gheleons Demise 12. Zero Point LOTP 13. Badger CCL 14. Another NITC 15. B-Line Trauma 16. Crusader 17. Barcode scoutrifle(bunch of random numbers and letters 18. Cryptic Dragon 19. Aries Ascendant 20. Grim Citizen III 21. Vanquisher 22. Crypy Dweller 23. The Calling 24. Pest Control Matrix 25. Vindicator XI 26. Unwilling Soul 27. Up For Anything 28. Do Gooder V 29. Low Down P-XIV 30. NL Shadow 701x 31. One/One Synesthete 32. DeadShot Luna SR1 33. The Fulcrum 34. The Chance 35. Venation III 36. Red Hand IX 37. The Devil You Know 38. The Devil You Don't 39. High Lord Fixer 40. Up The Ante 41. Revelator 42. Shadow Price 43. TFWPKY 1969 44. The Conduit 45. Super Pox VLO 46. Strange Suspect 47. Syzygy 123 48. Coiled Hiss 49. Three Little Words 50. HexCaster ARC 51. Spare Change.25 52. Hopscotch Pilgrim 53. Constellation Scar 54. The Summoner 55. The Scholar 56. The messenger 57. The Jewel Of Osiris 58. Her Mercy 59. Her Right Hand 60. Vesta Noblesse 61. Payment VI 62. Aegis Of The Kell 63. Six Dreg Promise 64. Wolfslayers Claw 65. Wolves Leash And thats all i care to name at the moment. Point is, you cannot use ANY of these weapons without being put at a disadvantage by ONLY 4 WEAPONS! [b]Now lets tackle some logics used by many players who don't seem to think the top OP guns at the moment don't need a debuff. [/b] "They are Exotics, they are supposed to be superior to all legendaries" logic. Ok, what about... Necrochasm No Land Beyond Hardlight Monte Carlo Universal Remote They are Exotic, atleast if these weapons were also OP it would broaden the equally effective weapons list... Sadly however, they are not. "If you nerf the already OP guns, a new set of OP guns will just take their place" logic. Think of it like this: The current OP weapons are the best of the best as of right now. Nerf them and the next set will be at the very least less OP. At the very least you are allowing more primaries breathing room nerfing the current OP PvP weapons. It could only help, not hurt. "If i use Thorn and my enemy uses Thorn, isn't skill the only thing determining who is better?" logic. Sure! But what if you vs someone with your exact same skill, perfectly matched uses Hardlight while you use Thorn? Who wins then? If you answered in your head "probably the guy using Thorn" well, you would be right! The person using Hardlight is at a disadvantage whether you admit it or not. Admit it: In trials you would never use a Hardlight and be as effective as you using Thorn. As much as it pains me to say... Guns get kills as of now in Destiny, NOT skill. That might not be you want to hear but unfortunately it seems to be the case via 90% of users in Trials use Vex, Thorn, LW or Red Death... You know its true, just look at every thread dedicated to helping teams get good in ToO, they all say to use these weapons and FOR A REASON. Also something that must be looked at as how unfair it is in PvP to someone who does now own any of the OP weapons. If we debuffed them new players could be much better off using their legendaries or dare i even say rares. As it is now we are closing off new to PvP players because they are simply outgunned. Why do you think so many players hate PvP? I have tried to reason with the community here. If you agree or you can relate to any of this please like this so we can get the community to hopefully open their eyes and stop the "git gud" and "shut up, meg" responses whenever someone starts a thread on one of these OP guns. The sooner the weapons are balanced the better!