??? Top 1 % players don't enjoy this matchmaking, bottom 1 % don't enjoy this matchmaking, just like everyone inbetween. Literally noone does. Where do you get this from? High skilled players don't enjoy it because the team balancing (totally not sbmm yea right) forces them to play against a team of above average players while they get complete noobs in their team and noobs get steamrolled. Before you suggest SBMM. We already have that. It is just renamed. We used to have even stricter SBMM in this game in season of the drifter and it did not work at all for this game. Player base is WAY to tiny for the pvp portion. We had 15+ minute queue times and asian 300 ping lobbies with stricter sbmm because way too few ppl play. So the only solution is to remove literally every single team balancing sbmm algorythm and win rate restriction forcing match outcomes and make it pure CBMM. Just random matchups. That way atleast half the matches will be extremely fun for everyone while the other half will suck. Right now 99 % of the matches suck. Would be a step up imo. Let's not forget how casual, unbalanced and cheese infested this game is. Seeking for balanced teams isn't only a matter of "fairness", it simply does not work for D2. So why not make it fun and enjoyable with good connections at the very least.

So, for those sweaty-balled shitlords out there, lobby balancing is a known issue. Bungie knows about it and has admitted that it is a problem and they don't know what to do about it. Do you know what else is a problem? The PvP community. The PvP community has a long and storied tradition of putting Bungie in double-binds and generally being a toxic cesspit of unpleasant individuals hell-bent on gatekeeping the crucible. Making playlists and activities fundamentally unplayable and unrewarding by being insufferable, toxic, and genuinely unreasonable only turns the gamemode into a broken and unplayable hellscape like Trials was before Bungie's revamp in Season of the Lost. When you tell your casuals and your low skill players to go play strikes, and they do, in droves, you end up in a matchmaking pool and a culture even less healthy and less approachable than Trials of the Nine. Making the lighthouse inaccessible to most is one thing, making the entire PvP landscape an unplayable, unpleasant, and inaccessible hellscape for both noobs and low to mid-tier veteran players alike is another matter entirely. Half of my friends list refuses, flat-out, to play PvP because it is both too inaccessible and the community is just too toxic to deal with. I only play the Crucible to get challenges done, pinnacles, and Iron Banner, and only as long as I need to in order to accomplish the set objectives. After that, if I want to play PvP, I play Apex Legends, which is far more balanced and far less dysfunctional than the Crucible despite the hackers and smurfs currently plaguing the game. I'm not going to go into exhaustive detail about reasonable and effective steps Bungie could take to improve the overall landscape and experience. That subject has been brought up and rehashed by more intelligent, articulate, and technologically savvy individuals than myself. I recommend Kujay's video on unfucking the Crucible. The simple fact of the matter remains that so long as PvP is simultaneously unrewarding and fundamentally unfun for solos, casuals, noobs, and players at low to mid-tier skill levels, the Crucible and Trials will continue suffer. The PvP community needs to pull its head out of its -blam!- and start recognising that sometimes K|D is not an accurate reflection of skill. A solo player is fundamentally at a disadvantage as they are relying on a team of complete strangers to actually know what they're doing and to execute targets and objectives effectively. As is so often the experience, this is anything but the case, leading to players who can land consistent 1.4-2.2 K|D games with solid teammates, consistently bottom-fragging in QP when matched with disorganised, self-centred, or hopeless blueberries with little to no sense of teamwork or mechanics. Beyond all of this, stating "0.5 K|D ergo you're wrong" is simply an ad hominem and I would like anyone who makes this point to articulate precisely in what way that invalidates any criticism of the overall dysfunctionality rooted in the heart of the Crucible. Additionally, I would like you to articulate precisely what productive purpose such statements make and what they add to the discourse. While the current broken system serves the PvP community now, as they are the ones chiefly benefitting from it, I can't help but remind the PvP community that we've been down this road many a time before. The result has always been that by making the experience unbearable for lower-skilled players, noobs, and casuals, you only serve to diminish and depopulate the matchmaking pools by pushing them out of the playlists, thereby creating precisely the conditions that completely broke the Crucible during Beyond Light. Cheaters, carry services, account recoveries, endless sweaty matches full of nothing but sweatlords, all of those things high skilled players hate having to deal with every single game thrive in a PvP ecosystem that is as difficult, exclusionary, and intolerable as it is quickly devolving its way into being. When lower skill players are expressing deep frustration and dissatisfaction and migrating to other games for a better, more balanced, and more engaging PvP experience, instead of being a -blam!- about it, recognise that this is the brontide rumbling in the distance before the shitstorm that was Beyond Light makes landfall. Take this as a warning of what's to come. I love the Crucible, I love the gunplay of it, I love the variety in it, but right now, I can't bring myself to play PvP in this game because it is so janky, broken, unbalanced, and buggy. When your mid-tier players are stating "I would rather play Arenas in Apex Legends than Trials because at least Arenas is fun" there's a problem. Bungie can fix the game all they like, but if the community doesn't learn from its own mistakes, the crucible will never change. I'll be making a separate forum post about this, because, frankly, I am sick to death of the dismissive, flippant, and disrespectful attitude the PvP community has toward everyone who does not meet the particular and perpetually shifting requirements of their no-true-scotsman nonsense.

The game really lacks a place for new, or less talented players to get started with PvP. Jumping into 6v6 as a F2P player, for example, is a super discouraging experience. Not only are new players at a gear disadvantage, the chaos that is 6v6 offers little opportunity for inexperienced players to develop basic skills like positioning and awareness because of the absolute breakneck pace of the game and the lethality of special weapons. It's often difficult to understand what lead to a death and learn from it, even if a new player has a strong, learning mentality. I've heard that there's a PvP community out there specifically for folks with sub-1 KDs to learn and get their bearings, but I don't know the name of it. I, as a career 2.4kd player, do not need to be playing against kinderguardians, even in QP. Most of my lobbies are myself and one other high-stat player on the other team racing to see who can farm the low-skill teammates the fastest.

I really don’t see why people that constantly complain about matchmaking continue to play crucible? I stroll around waving my gun in the air for my 3 match pinnacle and then I don’t touch it until the following week. Playing it constantly is just pointless and so long as people are still piling in hour after hour, day after day bungie will not see a problem.

The people who constantly say the same things over and over again like "git gud", "mad cuz bad" etc, must not know that even the high level players that make things like trials look easy have been complaining about various issues with pvp, I'd love to see them tell someone like ZK, frostbolt, or panduh to "git gud". Also there's the fact that your ability or lack of ability at something, doesn't mean you can't critique it. Matchmaking (among other things) is trash, you don't have to be a 4kd, 100x flawless player to see that. Yes, there are countless posts of people being unable to take an L and just raging at nothing, but when someone makes a legitimate complaint, it's always funny to see these braindead clowns parrot the same stuff repeatedly because they've never had an original thought in their lives. On top of the fact that most people who aren't good already know this, so using any variation of "lol you're bad" is pointless, how about actually contributing to the discussion instead of being a toxic sweat lord?

Its pretty bad. Some games I just cant damage any of my opponents and ghost bullets are fishing me off! Then my Series X is crashing to home the screen. Its a real sad situation.

A LOT of people have replied to his post saying “it’s not about you” or “there really is no issue because it’s just in 1 category of play” or “you’re just bad at the game”. YOU are the people he’s talking about. And it went right over your heads. Because this post isn’t about YOU or himself. It’s about the matchmaking which has gotten worse. And it has, there’s no denying it. So it IS an issue. Try to reply to posts with actually feed back. Now regarding what OP stated. I myself don’t PvP. I never do trials either. Don’t care much about trials because I agree it should be skill based. But I also can agree that if bungie wanted to help out players in trials, they would penalize consecutive card resets or not allow it. In an effort to keep flawless high(er) skill players playing high skill players. Regarding the rest of PvP, I went in for the first time this DLC a couple weeks ago and I too was matched against teams, flawless players, and try hards with high rep. When I started out with 0 rep, haven’t reset my rep, and my K/D is low. That simply isn’t very inviting for low skill and new players (which I’m neither). And it’s again, not what bungie said they were doing, reporting was being successful, nor actually “working as intended”. Bungie has seemingly lied about how successful things have been before. And there’s an issue with what they see/say, verse what’s happening to players. If you’re new, this happens, you may not come back. And over time it creates a greater divide of players.

This post is super articulate and points out massive problems the PvP community has been facing for years now and not a single mod will comment on this post Because they either know Bungie is working on it and dont think a response is necessary Or they know Bungie dont care and mods believe a response isnt necessary How many “fix matchmaking” posts a day do you have to see before theres a TWAB or a mod post about it because this has been going on for years now and the response by Mods/Bungie has been ABYSMAL

you won't have a matchmaking issue if you don't play crucible. Problem solve, no fret, no stress

This is hands down the worst lobby balancing in any FPS game on the market. Bungie is staying radio silent about it which is terrible. If they don't address it next season with these "pvp changes" then they are pathetic. Trials freelance, IB freelance, Control, Clash, etc all suffer from the worst lobby balancing. Whatever they are using for their algorithm is doing the opposite of balancing. Hell, even Freelance Gambit has the issue! A mode that is mainly pve has unbalanced teams. So even there, the algorithm is broken. It's like they are making the teams unbalanced on purpose with how often it happens.

I love watching GrenaderJake Mald and pout like a kid when he gets dominated in trials and immediately says the other players are cheating

You can't balance a tri class system that well. Hunter ability is just too good for movement. Titans are good for locking areas down And Warlocks buff teammates. 2 of these are useful in PvP. 1 of them has a 3% greater population. Which is apparently enough for bungie to favor them. There can't be any proper balancing because if you do that, people will riot. The simple best idea is to just have a crucible gamemode active at all times that disables all abilities and movement stuff

Every time I've played Trials I've seen someone with negative k/ds in everything that's gone flawless that week. Part of the problem people have is that they focus on things that have nothing to do with what the game is actually doing. If you perform well compared to other people at your skill level then you increase your chances of going flawless. The matches end up the way they do because of how you perform relative to the people at your skill level. Especially at the lower to middle portion of the skill spectrum.