[quote]Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune were originally supposed to be in Destiny and I know there was concept art for Europa (Saturn's moon) too (basically an ice covered moon)[/quote] No they absolutely were not originally supposed to be in the game. That was people making up dumb shit that was never confirmed by bungie. Also, concept art is [b][i][u]NOT[/u][/i][/b] a confirmation as to whether or not something will be in the game.

Nope, they specifically stated we would on several videos and articles I believe.

No they didn't. Showing a video (that isn't even a trailer) that has those locations in them is not a CONFIRMATION of it being in the game. It's just a teaser

[url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Topics/0/Default/None/%23feedback]l believe this is a link to all cut content or at the very least most of Bungie's false advertising.[/url] I don't really remember where it was specifically stated but it's somewhere in those weekly updates.

[quote][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Topics/0/Default/None/%23feedback]l believe this is a link to all cut content or at the very least most of Bungie's false advertising.[/url] I don't really remember where it was specifically stated but it's somewhere in those weekly updates.[/quote] The only thing that gave me was a link to the feedback section of the forum. No one ever seems to remember where it was specifically mentioned those places would be in the game because [b]they were [i][u]never[/u][/i] confirmed. [/b] Again, nothing was ever [b]confirmed[/b] to be in the game [b]except[/b] for the locations bungie explicitly confirmed. Plenty of areas were discussed and they mentioned a number of areas, but simply mentioning them means absolutely nothing. We have no way of knowing what they initially planned for this game, for its dlc's, or for its sequels and any corresponding dlc. I personally believed there would be more in destiny prior to the alpha, but not anywhere to the extreme that a lot of people thought. After the alpha I wasn't expecting very many areas at all.

[quote] The only thing that gave me was a link to the feedback section of the forum. No one ever seems to remember where it was specifically mentioned those places would be in the game because [b]they were [i][u]never[/u][/i] confirmed. [/b] [/quote] [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/76633207/0/0]That's probably because it was over 2 years ago, but it should be fixed now.[/url] If this is not enough I have 2 other videos laying around and one where Deej specifically talks about Destiny's cut content. [quote] Again, nothing was ever [b]confirmed[/b] to be in the game [b]except[/b] for the locations bungie explicitly confirmed.[/quote] Not true at all. The link above proved that. There are plenty of other things in the game that Bungie themselves specifically said would be there. They're just cutting it for dlc and you're in denial if you believe otherwise. [quote] Plenty of areas were discussed and they mentioned a number of areas, but simply mentioning them means absolutely nothing. [/quote] Yet Bungie talked about places we'll be able to reach, never did they mention dlc. You're seriously lying to yourself if you defend Bungie. [quote]We have no way of knowing what they initially planned for this game, for its dlc's, or for its sequels and any corresponding dlc. [/quote] If they tell us we're going to Saturn, we're going to Saturn, end of. Nowhere was this cut content mentioned to be sold as dlc later on. [quote] I personally believed there would be more in destiny prior to the alpha, but not anywhere to the extreme that a lot of people thought. After the alpha I wasn't expecting very many areas at all.[/quote] The second I played the beta I already knew what was coming. Yet I still told myself that there was hope. I guess there was no point in that.

I put the above comment in a spoiler so I could reference it as I type (I'm on the app). For some reason people like to think I'm defending Bungie or Destiny, and that is [b][i][u]BY FAR[/u][/i][/b] from the case. This game was arguably the biggest disappointment of the decade for games, not because of what it is; but because of how amazing it could have been. That's not the point right now though. [quote]Dissecting the videos we released during the exploration of what we wanted Destiny to be is an education on the chaos of development. Things change. We adapt to what we learn. Sometimes, we abandon what we think isn't working. [b][i][u]You're asking for transparency, [/u][/i][/b][i][u][b]but also punishing us for over-sharing the nuances of our creative process by taking concept work as promises[/b][/u][/i]. I give vague answers because the things I say amount to checks the team has to cash.[/quote] You are still grasping at straws. What this quote is saying is, all those vidocs? Those were made so early into the production of the game that they may very well have planned on having a location such as Saturn in the game, and then have taken it out. [b]That's not lying to us, that's people reading too much into a video that has no relevance as to what the game will be like at release years later.[/b] The exact same thing goes with them showing us concept art and all of the sudden stupid -blam!-s saying 'yay we're going to Europa!' Like no dude, that's just -blam!-ing concept art. It means absolutely nothing. The only time I'll call them out on flat out lying to us was at the e3 where the dude threw a grenade and said 'you can go there!' That was total bullshit. Otherwise show me something that isn't just them talking about the game conceptually, and where they [b][i][u]actually confirm[/u][/i][/b] areas to be in the game, but aren't. I am not a bungie apologist, I don't even play the shit game anymore. They -blam!-ed this game up royally. With that said, it's only partially their fault that people were so letdown, and even that's because people are so god damn stupid. I remember hearing one dude say he thought the alpha was going to be a tiny, little part of old russia (like 5% tiny). He was expecting old Chicago and another city on earth, not to mention the same number of areas all on 5 to 10 more planets (with all the playable areas the same size, roughly. EDIT: old Chicago, old russia, and another city I meant). People are delusional to have expected that, especially after we played the alpha [b]AND[/b] the beta! I still can't believe people thought it would have all those places after the beta. [b]That[/b] kind of shit is not Bungie's fault. I personally think they should have come out and said something to slow the hype down and give people a realistic sense of what this game was going to be. They tried to make it too many things to too many people. That's definitely their fault. They made a shit ton of money by allowing that to happen, but they also lost a lot of people's trust in doing that too. Bungie games used to be an automatic pre order for me. Now it's a 'wait until I see gameplay on YouTube' company. [spoiler][quote][quote] The only thing that gave me was a link to the feedback section of the forum. No one ever seems to remember where it was specifically mentioned those places would be in the game because [b]they were [i][u]never[/u][/i] confirmed. [/b] [/quote] [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/76633207/0/0]That's probably because it was over 2 years ago, but it should be fixed now.[/url] If this is not enough I have 2 other videos laying around and one where Deej specifically talks about Destiny's cut content. [quote] Again, nothing was ever [b]confirmed[/b] to be in the game [b]except[/b] for the locations bungie explicitly confirmed.[/quote] Not true at all. The link above proved that. There are plenty of other things in the game that Bungie themselves specifically said would be there. They're just cutting it for dlc and you're in denial if you believe otherwise. [quote] Plenty of areas were discussed and they mentioned a number of areas, but simply mentioning them means absolutely nothing. [/quote] Yet Bungie talked about places we'll be able to reach, never did they mention dlc. You're seriously lying to yourself if you defend Bungie. [quote]We have no way of knowing what they initially planned for this game, for its dlc's, or for its sequels and any corresponding dlc. [/quote] If they tell us we're going to Saturn, we're going to Saturn, end of. Nowhere was this cut content mentioned to be sold as dlc later on. [quote] I personally believed there would be more in destiny prior to the alpha, but not anywhere to the extreme that a lot of people thought. After the alpha I wasn't expecting very many areas at all.[/quote] The second I played the beta I already knew what was coming. Yet I still told myself that there was hope. I guess there was no point in that.[/quote] [/spoiler]

[quote]You are still grasping at straws. What this quote is saying is, all those vidocs? Those were made so early into the production of the game that they may very well have planned on having a location such as Saturn in the game, and then have taken it out.[/quote] Firstly, I would like to know where this quote is from. I don't ever recall anyone from Bungie talking about Destiny's lack of content aside from Deej last month in a 9 minute interview. Secondly, those vidocs were made barely a year before the game released lol. Clearly something changed it doesn't take more than 2 minutes to see that. Thirdly, assuming that quote is not from Bungie themselves, it was [b]never[/b] discussed. Bungie let their lies pile up as hype for the game not once telling anyone what actually happened. This had lead people to believe Activision forced Bungie to show more than what they could offer, but that is beyond the point. [quote][b]That's not lying to us, that's people reading too much into a video that has no relevance as to what the game will be like at release years later.[/b][/quote] Completely false. Lying is telling somebody they will get something and not giving it to them, which is essentially what happened. [url=http://youtu.be/ku8t3LNsgzU]In this video, at about 4 minutes in, Deej stated that we did not see all of old Russia let alone the moon.[/url] (In case you didn't see the date, this was on August 20, 2014. [b]Just DAYS before the final release.[/b] Back to the topic though, how is telling someone they will get something and giving them another not lying? The only logical thing to do when we are told something is to believe it and if we're lied to, then it's not our fault for the bases of logic alone. [quote] Like no dude, that's just -blam!-ing concept art. It means absolutely nothing. [/quote] I'm starting to doubt if you ever watched the vidocs or remember them. In one video alone a Bungie employee states that we'll be going to Earth, the Moon, Mars, Venus, AND Saturn. It was also shown in the secret e3 Bungie event back in 2013. (He also stated that trading is a form of earning gear) I can site the video if necessary. [quote] Otherwise show me something that isn't just them talking about the game conceptually, and where they [b][i][u]actually confirm[/u][/i][/b] areas to be in the game, but aren't. [/quote] [url=http://youtu.be/Y1OjUWw43co]Going to Saturn at about 30 seconds in[/url] [url=http://www.dailystar.co.uk/tech/395842/Destiny-will-get-daily-updates-making-it-the-biggest-game-ever]Destiny having something new to do everyday[/url] [url=http://youtu.be/EwOUi4JDC4o]Destiny being an ever changing environment that Bungie cannot control at about 3 minutes in[/url] [url=http://youtu.be/h3G3V5PCJbk]Trading at about 2:40[/url] [url=https://www.change.org/p/harold-ryan-bring-back-the-original-story-locations-features-etc-to-destiny]Faction story lines[/url] Etc. The list goes on and I have a few more articles and videos, you have to remember that all this is old news and buried underneath a lot of crap so finding it isn't easy. They also talked about dangerous environments (such as the tornadoes on venus and sand dunes on mars which are nowhere to be seen). Also, I realized where you got your previous quote from and you skipped something very important: "[b]For now, I'm being factual about the DLC and the experience it is designed to deliver.[/b]" Meaning that at one point Deej was either not sure if he was telling the truth or deliberately lying and acknowledges it. [quote] and even that's because people are so god damn stupid. [/quote] Believing someone when they tell/show you something is not being stupid. [quote] People are delusional to have expected that, especially after we played the alpha [b]AND[/b] the beta! [/quote] No they're not, this is what Bungie talked about and is currently creating. Its also something other games have already done. Not everyone played the alpha/beta and the fact that some have is irrelevant. [quote][b]That[/b] kinda shit is not Bungie's fault.[/quote] Ah, but it is (at least based off of what we know). You don't show something off if you can't back it up and that's exactly what Bungie did. In the end it won't matter. Bungie will never come out with the truth about what they did or why it happened but the current and past events show that something isn't right.

[spoiler][quote][quote]You are still grasping at straws. What this quote is saying is, all those vidocs? Those were made so early into the production of the game that they may very well have planned on having a location such as Saturn in the game, and then have taken it out.[/quote] Firstly, I would like to know where this quote is from. I don't ever recall anyone from Bungie talking about Destiny's lack of content aside from Deej last month in a 9 minute interview. Secondly, those vidocs were made barely a year before the game released lol. Clearly something changed it doesn't take more than 2 minutes to see that. Thirdly, assuming that quote is not from Bungie themselves, it was [b]never[/b] discussed. Bungie let their lies pile up as hype for the game not once telling anyone what actually happened. This had lead people to believe Activision forced Bungie to show more than what they could offer, but that is beyond the point. [quote][b]That's not lying to us, that's people reading too much into a video that has no relevance as to what the game will be like at release years later.[/b][/quote] Completely false. Lying is telling somebody they will get something and not giving it to them, which is essentially what happened. [url=http://youtu.be/ku8t3LNsgzU]In this video, at about 4 minutes in, Deej stated that we did not see all of old Russia let alone the moon.[/url] (In case you didn't see the date, this was on August 20, 2014. [b]Just DAYS before the final release.[/b] Back to the topic though, how is telling someone they will get something and giving them another not lying? The only logical thing to do when we are told something is to believe it and if we're lied to, then it's not our fault for the bases of logic alone. [quote] Like no dude, that's just -blam!-ing concept art. It means absolutely nothing. [/quote] I'm starting to doubt if you ever watched the vidocs or remember them. In one video alone a Bungie employee states that we'll be going to Earth, the Moon, Mars, Venus, AND Saturn. It was also shown in the secret e3 Bungie event back in 2013. (He also stated that trading is a form of earning gear) I can site the video if necessary. [quote] Otherwise show me something that isn't just them talking about the game conceptually, and where they [b][i][u]actually confirm[/u][/i][/b] areas to be in the game, but aren't. [/quote] [url=http://youtu.be/Y1OjUWw43co]Going to Saturn at about 30 seconds in[/url] [url=http://www.dailystar.co.uk/tech/395842/Destiny-will-get-daily-updates-making-it-the-biggest-game-ever]Destiny having something new to do everyday[/url] [url=http://youtu.be/EwOUi4JDC4o]Destiny being an ever changing environment that Bungie cannot control at about 3 minutes in[/url] [url=http://youtu.be/h3G3V5PCJbk]Trading at about 2:40[/url] [url=https://www.change.org/p/harold-ryan-bring-back-the-original-story-locations-features-etc-to-destiny]Faction story lines[/url] Etc. The list goes on and I have a few more articles and videos, you have to remember that all this is old news and buried underneath a lot of crap so finding it isn't easy. They also talked about dangerous environments (such as the tornadoes on venus and sand dunes on mars which are nowhere to be seen). Also, I realized where you got your previous quote from and you skipped something very important: "[b]For now, I'm being factual about the DLC and the experience it is designed to deliver.[/b]" Meaning that at one point Deej was either not sure if he was telling the truth or deliberately lying and acknowledges it. [quote] and even that's because people are so god damn stupid. [/quote] Believing someone when they tell/show you something is not being stupid. [quote] People are delusional to have expected that, especially after we played the alpha [b]AND[/b] the beta! [/quote] No they're not, this is what Bungie talked about and is currently creating. Its also something other games have already done. Not everyone played the alpha/beta and the fact that some have is irrelevant. [quote][b]That[/b] kinda shit is not Bungie's fault.[/quote] Ah, but it is (at least based off of what we know). You don't show something off if you can't back it up and that's exactly what Bungie did. In the end it won't matter. Bungie will never come out with the truth about what they did or why it happened but the current and past events show that something isn't right.[/quote][/spoiler] I put everything in spoilers again so I could read it. I'm going to go through this quickly since no matter what I say you're going to keep saying they lied to us (which they did; just not about the planets). EDIT: as quickly as I could anyway 1). The vidoc video you put up was released on February 17, 2013. Over a year and a half before Destiny was released, and god only knows how long before that it was filmed. Mentioning something in that video is not a guarantee that it will be in the game. I don't know why that is hard for people to understand. 2). That quote as you said was from Deej. I think we did see everything from the earth (I'm not positive though; I can't remember because it's been so long since the beta) but those '???' enemies were meant to stop us from doing that. We [b]technically[/b] didn't see everything on the moon (we didn't see the phogoth raid). It's bullshit how they pick and choose their words because they do so in a misleading way, but they never just come and outright lie about things. [b][i][u]Him saying he's being factual, is just that: stating facts. As in he will no longer go into things that are not 100% guaranteed, such as concepts.[/u][/i][/b] [b][i][u]THAT IS NOT AN ADMISSION OF LYING[/u][/i][/b] If you can't see that then that's you not having the reading comprehension. 3). They technically do update the game everyday with the daily heroic. Again this is complete bullshit with how they pick and choose their words and they definitely mislead people, but it isn't outright lying. This does not have to do specifically with the number of playable areas. 4). I followed this game pretty damn closely up to its release, and I never remember them mentioning sandstorms or anything. This sounds like bullshit that dumb asses were spreading before the release. Even if they did discuss it publicly, when did they do so? How long away was this discussed or mentioned before release? Mentioning something a year and a half before the game is released is not a guarantee that it will be in the game. 5). If you really think that is what Bungie is still trying to create then you're a -blam!-ing idiot. Maybe they'll do something like that for the sequels but it isn't happening for now. 6). As per the beta, yeah it's relevant. Are you insane? How much do you think they were going to change after the beta? While not everyone played it, everyone who did should have known what to expect in terms of the playable areas. [b][i][u]Especially since they confirmed the playable areas to us before release[/u][/i][/b] 7). You still haven't shown me anything saying "Saturn/Jupiter/Europa is confirmed." You've shown old ass videos that discussed it conceptually. Bottom line is this: I was not surprised by the number of planets at release (disappointed that they didn't have more though), because it is what they confirmed to us. If you want to keep believing every little tidbit of information they mention, then you go ahead. I'm going to stay over here with my reading comprehension, understanding of marketing, and reasoning.

I've literally deleted my reply 3 -blam!-ing times in a row (Hence the long wait). This doesn't mean I give up but every time my reply got deleted I died a little. I don't see why its so hard to accept the fact that they lied. Not only have I linked articles and videos but I've also quoted the community manager and other Bungie employees.

[quote]I've literally deleted my reply 3 -blam!-ing times in a row (Hence the long wait). This doesn't mean I give up but every time my reply got deleted I died a little. I don't see why its so hard to accept the fact that they lied. Not only have I linked articles and videos but I've also quoted the community manager and other Bungie employees.[/quote] It's because the articles and videos you've linked are shit. Their either outdated, don't work, and one was a petition with 250 people that had signed it. It's only information was a link to a Facebook group with 3000 people following it. You're reading quotes of them "lying" and are misinterpreting them to hear what you want. What boils down to [b]in regards to the available playable destinations is that they didn't lie. People interpreted and heard what they wanted to.[/b] Where I blame bungie is for not correcting the idiots who just heard/saw something and ran with it. Even then though I somewhat understand because why would you derail your own hype? In the end I feel they should have because that's better than letting down a lot of your consumers and losing their trust. Misleading =/= Lying

[quote] It's because the articles and videos you've linked are shit. Their either outdated, don't work, and one was a petition with 250 people that had signed it.[/quote] Actually, Bungie hasn't denounced any of it, thus rendering it a credible source. Regardless, it does not matter [b]as they still lied[/b] no matter the year. What they said will be remembered and can be traced, no matter how long ago. As for the petition, I linked that purposely. It mentions another one of Bungie's cut pieces that isn't even remembered by anybody anymore. You're only fooling yourself if you don't believe even after all those articles, videos, and quotes. [quote] You're reading quotes of them "lying" and are misinterpreting them to hear what you want. [/quote] Ironically its [i]you[/i] that's doing this. Lying is lying, no matter the year, how small, or how lengthy. Your comments alone prove you didn't inspect the links I cited. [quote] What boils down to [b]in regards to the available playable destinations is that they didn't lie. People interpreted and heard what they wanted to.[/b][/quote] Well they did talk about bringing us to Saturn, by you wouldn't know that you didn't watch the videos. [quote] Even then though I somewhat understand because why would you derail your own hype? [/quote] I already know where this is going. If you're seeing through it justifying Bungie's actions you've already -blam!-ed yourself. [quote]Misleading =/= Lying[/quote] That's funny considering the fact that misleading books down to lying.

Jesus you're dense. The vidoc you keep talking about was released 19 months before the game came out. Things are going to change in that time. You go ahead and live in your nice little black and white world though

Is that why you keep avoiding the fact that Bungie lied? Stay in denial.

It's called reality man. Go ahead and do your thing though. Of all your links and sources, you have yet to provide one video [i][b][u]confirming[/u][/b][/i] any locations other than the ones that already are.

[quote]It's called reality man.[/quote] You mean the thing I based my whole argument of? [quote] you have yet to provide one video [i][b][u]confirming[/u][/b][/i] any locations other than the ones that already are.[/quote] +Saturn

No they were teased by Bungie to be there with the full game. Trust me, i was so excited for this game thay when they officially announced it i was always on the #destiny subforum, reading news, always watching the dev blogs and they promised a [b]LOT[/b] of things. In the end we got a broken shitfest

[quote]No they were teased by Bungie to be there with the full game. Trust me, i was so excited for this game thay when they officially announced it i was always on the #destiny subforum, reading news, always watching the dev blogs and they promised a [b]LOT[/b] of things. In the end we got a broken shitfest[/quote] Agreed on the broken shit festival. My point is there is a [b][i][u]HUGE[/u][/i][/b] difference in talking about them (a tease if you will) and them being confirmed to be in the game. They never were. What really pisses me off is the dipshit people who defended the thought that they were confirmed

They were teased to be in-game ever since they started showing concept art with the official title of the game. You know they also teased in-game exploration of derelict ships floating on space right? Or the private areas for each class to show off their armor? Faction wars and much more. They teased a big amount of stuff besides planets way before the trailers started releasing. None of it came into fruition.

[quote]They were teased to be in-game ever since they started showing concept art with the official title of the game. You know they also teased in-game exploration of derelict ships floating on space right? Or the private areas for each class to show off their armor? Faction wars and much more. They teased a big amount of stuff besides planets way before the trailers started releasing. None of it came into fruition.[/quote] Yeah I know. I've been following this game since at least 2012. Again, it was [b][i][u]teased[/u][/i][/b], not ever confirmed

Exactly,where are they then? If you're gonna tease something you better deliver later. None of the dlc has new planets or areas to explore, they showcased Saturn and Jupiter during E3 2013 during closed doors. They teased all of that stuff and in the end nothing came into fruition. People have reason to complain for the lack of content.

[quote] People have reason to complain for the lack of content. [/quote] I can't stand the lack of content either but... [quote] Exactly,where are they then? If you're gonna tease something you better deliver later. [/quote] Just no. It's called marketing. I'm not saying they shouldn't have had anymore content, but to expect everything they teased is just foolish [quote]None of the dlc has new planets or areas to explore, they showcased Saturn and Jupiter during E3 2013 during closed doors. They teased all of that stuff and in the end nothing came into fruition.[/quote] Same thing with the concept art. Why? Because it was a concept and they never planned on adding it in, or cut they it from the game, or were always planning on putting it in future dlc's/sequels. [b]I am not defending Bungie. [/b] What I am saying is that it's stupid to get expectations from teaser trailers/vidocs/concept art that was made [b][i][u]years[/u][/i][/b] before the game was released. [b]The problem I have isn't just that bungie doesn't have enough content. It's that people are -blam!-ing retarded and had completely unrealistic expectations to begin with, much less after the alpha and the beta. They set themselves up to be extra disappointed from a disappointing game.[/b]

Expectations that where set by Bungie from the start. KEY WORD: TEASE They teased it, they didn't nust showed some art and then everyone came in and said it's confirmed. All they have said was supposed to be in the game they told us they were making and it wasn't. What about the cutscenes that suddenly weren't in-game, The horrible script and dialogue from the characters and the whole universe they teased? It didnt happened. Bungie promised the people who were from the start listening to them the greatest gaming experience ever, and it's sad that half of those promises didn't make it.