Destiny is a work in progress I'm sure that 85% of players know this. I get the crucible is fun and you play against "real people" but besides the hoping for good loot to drop i find it pointless. The Iron banner comes out and it's a bit different but to me no same then grinding a prestige in call of duty. There is no challenge in the crucible none to make me actually want to play. Or even try hard I find myself just going thru the motions. I get that off of wins and bounties lies your only experience but still for what guns or armour that don't even compare to raid gear or other weapons? I as a gamer who loves nothing more then PvP or multiplayer online. Would like to have a seperate ranking system for the crucible. We have our light levels but that's really for just for PvE IMO. I mean Bungie you made halo 2s ranking system which to me a win you go up a loss you don't or you derank that's a pretty good way of keeping multiplayer fun. I like a challenge when I play or players who are around my skill level. Give me something to play for besides a mote of light or a Engrams[/quote][/quote]