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5/30/2014 8:08:41 PM
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[quote]at the beginning, the Didact wants to save the Humans. I don't see how this could lead to his hatred of them. Furthermore, the Librarian seems to want to destroy the humans, yet in the next terminal, she wants to save them (it seems like her and her husband are in opposite opinion.[/quote]LoA would be better at answering this one.
[quote]in the second one, the humans hav found a planet they think might be flood-free. how hard could it be to send a message to the forerunners "hey, there's this alien parasite attacking us, it'd be great if you guys could help out. also, this is why we've been eradicating your planets. you would have done it, too."[/quote]Again, LoA would be best at answering this.
[quote]how could the halos be a better plan than the didact's prometheans (which were decently effective. option 1: killl everything in the galaxy. [/quote]Because The Flood had access an the ability to use Precursor tech, such as Star Roads. And Precursor tech can only be destroyed by the Halo Rings.
[quote]option 2: let stuff live, get more soldiers in the composer, and defeat the flood. then return life to the galaxy. it seems like the halos are ridiculously unreasonable when the prometheans (in enough numbers) could at least put up a good fight.[/quote]Because The Flood would absolutely demolish them. Again, the Precursor tech comes into play, which would essentially rip them a new asshole multiple times over.
[quote]why didn't they just leave the galaxy? it's not like they couldn't make it to another near by galaxy. i know that they touch on the galaxy topic a bit in cryptum, but that doesn't explain why they'd rather completely irradicate life in that galaxy instead of just moving to another one.[/quote]Because the Flood could just follow them and continue to kick their shit in.
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so why not leave the galaxy and then fire the halo array
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Er... they did. The Lesser Ark is located outside the galaxy and it's where the IsoDidact fired the rings from...
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so why did they kill all the forerunners still in the galaxy
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because you'd have to be mentally insane to think you're getting past the flood to evacuate people, or that people are going to escape. on H-day there was basically no hope left. if you [url=http://www.bestlibraryspot.com/book/Halo-Book-11/index.html]read silentium[/url] you'll see what i mean.
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it just seems like a ridiculous plan. if they fire the halos, they all die. if they don't fire the halos, they all die. why not wait for the flood to leave after their "victory" and then continue with the librarian's plan to give life back to the galaxy
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[quote]if they fire the halos, they all die. [/quote] A) so do the flood. B) not all of them do. that being said they [i]were willing[/i] to die/go dormant and wait for humanity to ascend to the mantle. [quote]if they don't fire the halos, they all die.[/quote] and the flood live. [quote]why not wait for the flood to leave after their "victory" [/quote] because the flood would still be targeting them and you bet they're going to wreck the forerunner survivors asap. not to mention that you can't expect all the flood to leave. and not to mention that they'd have precursor technology with them, making them unbeatable without firing the halo rings. [quote]and then continue with the librarian's plan to give life back to the galaxy[/quote] ... because that's going to kill every being in the galaxy twice after the flood steamroll the forerunners and return for even more food in the same galaxy they just harvested?
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[quote]A) so do the flood.[/quote] i thought the halos just killed the flood's food... or was the retconned [quote]and the flood live.[/quote] see previous comment
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this is actually debated. i made a post on this down at the halo archive. [quote]With regards to the topic at hand I think we have to look at how the Halos actually work, from Cryptum's Capital Battle prelude [I'm using the bestlibrary.com version so I have no page numbers :/]. [quote]By radiating a powerful burst of cross-phased supermassive neutrinos, these installations were capable of destroying all life in an entire star system. Properly tuned and powered, they could do more than that—they could kill all neurologically complex life across whole swaths of the galaxy.[/quote] "Neurologically complex" is a funny word. What exactly does Bear mean? Going back to Cryptum once more, when Didact is scanning [quote]Next came flora, including dense arboreal forests. Many of the original trees had acquired a kind of long-term intel igence, communicating with each other over centuries using insects, viruses, bacteria, and fungi as carriers of genetic and hormonal signals, analogous to neurons.… That list also quickly emptied. There were remnants—dead forests and jungles covered with a false green carpet of primitive plants and symbiotic species. Al that remained, apparently, were mosses, fungi, algae, and their combined forms. [b]“Nothing with a central nervous system or even a notochord,” [/b]the ship’s ancil a reported. “No fauna above a mil imeter in scale.”[/quote] The bolded line is pretty damn significant. Nothing that has neurons. Now, uh, what exactly is the Flood supercell? [url=https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/detail/0b36c2b290a1474f9d34739ec6ccd6e3/flood]Going back to Waypoint [shudder]:"The Flood Super Cell (FSC) can be loosely described as [thinking muscle[?]], and it closely resembles neurons or glial cells in structure."[/url] Resembles neurons, but isn't exactly it. My guess: -Sufficiently mutated Flood forms are killed as they are infecting nervous systems of their hosts -Carrier forms explode like the little balloons they are -Infection forms left unharmed Thus meaning that infection forms are the ones starved to death. So I'm going to say it's a combination of both.[/quote]
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so only the infection forms are the ones starved?
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well by infection forms i meant all of the ones that aren't carrying nervous systems.
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so the ones that don't have hosts
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Editado por Haruspis: 5/30/2014 8:33:38 PMThe only Forerunner we know of who was still in the Milky Way when the Halos were fired was Librarian. A small number of Lifeworkers and Warrior-Servants were all that remained on the Lesser Ark following the destruction of the Greater Ark by Mendicant Bias and the Star Roads, they survived and reseeded the galaxy of life, then went on the Great Journey. Again, the Halos [i]had[/i] to be fired because the Forerunners were out of time. The Star Roads had been delayed just long enough by the Master Builder to ensure that the IsoDidact could get to the Lesser Ark and fire the Halos. The galaxy was filled with Burns (solar systems that were completely occupied by Flood), and the entire Forerunner military had fallen apart when the Greater Ark was destroyed.
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but it's not like space travel is instantaneous. it would take some time to get from one planet to another.... you're making it seem like this all happened within minutes of each other. even with slipspace tech, it would still take more than a few minutes to board/travel through slipspace, giving the forerunners more time.
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Not within minutes, but this sequence of events happened in this order. That's why the Master Builder fired Omega Halo at Path Kethona - to delay the arrival of the Star Roads. The Forerunners were [b]out of time[/b]. Most of the galaxy was overrun. Slipspace was mostly closed off and travel was slow as shit because the Forerunner had spent so many years pushing large objects through it which made slipspace traffic incredibly slow, to the point where only Lifeworker vessels were allowed to enter slipspace. Star Roads, immortal Precursor constructs which can only be destroyed by Halos, were smashing apart everything the Forerunners had and the Flood had pretty much won the war. The time that the Master Builder bought the IsoDidact was just enough to get him to the Lesser Ark using his own personal slipspace portal. Meanwhile, the Ur-Didact was in the middle of enacting his own solution with the Composer while Librarian was hunting him down. These events were all going on parallel to each other...
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and yet the didact was safe and sound within requiem. why not just chill there and fire the halos? (i really need to read these books. -_-)
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[quote]and yet the didact was safe and sound within requiem.[/quote] Because this directly followed on from the firing of Omega Halo which delayed the Star Roads' assault on the galaxy, during this time the IsoDidact was headed to the lesser Ark to fire the rings. Also, [b]the Ur-Didact was part of the Flood's plan[/b]. He was driven insane by the Gravemind and became their new servant following the death of the Timeless One, the Gravemind sent the Ur-Didact back to the Forerunners to cripple the morale of the remaining military effort by showing them that the Flood had broken their most famous and powerful commander. [quote]why not just chill there and fire the halos?[/quote] Because the Halos cannot be activated from Requiem...
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is it a matter of physical impossibility that the halos can't be fired from shield worlds or is it just that they didn't have the tech on requiem at the moment?
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Editado por Haruspis: 5/30/2014 9:12:20 PMPhysical impossibility. Only the Arks could fire all the Halos at once, why would the button to fire all of the Halos be in Requiem? Requiem was constructed [i]thousands[/i] of years before the concept of Halos even came about. [quote]Commander Keyes: "What's that?" 343 Guilty Spark: "A beacon." Commander Keyes: "What's it doing?" 343 Guilty Spark: "Communicating. At superluminal speeds with a frequency of—" Commander Keyes: "Communicating with what?" 343 Guilty Spark: "The other installations." Commander Keyes: "Show me." 343 Guilty Spark: "Fail-safe protocol: In the event of unexpected shutdown, the entire system will move to standby status. All remaining platforms are now ready for remote activation." Commander Keyes: "Remote activation? From here?" 343 Guilty Spark: "Don't be ridiculous." Sergeant Johnson: "Listen, tinkerbell, don't make me..." Commander Keyes: "Then where? Where would someone go to activate the other rings?" 343 Guilty Spark: "...Why, the Ark, of course."[/quote]
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i find it a little unreasonable to think that with all their "advanced technology" the forerunners couldn't remotely activate the halos via a gamecube controller or something.
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Why? If they had a remote switch they carried around with them then what if the Flood got hold of it? It'd be completely useless. The Arks were outside the Flood's area of interest, they were safe havens for the catalogued species of the Librarian's Conservation Measure, and the Flood was mostly unaware of the existence of the Lesser Ark.
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so why not have both a remote control and a stationary one? so if the flood gets a hold of the remote, they just use the stationary activation also, just hide the remote within shield worlds/
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The location of the Shield Worlds was betrayed by Mendicant Bias when he defected to the Flood. Why on earth would they put a remote there? They had all of the Halos which were being constantly ferried around the galaxy and they had the Lesser Ark. The Halos can be fired from their own installations, but it's not as effective as a complete activation from the Ark because when an individual ring fires it only sets off the others when the harmonic frequency reaches another installation. There is literally no point in having another remote inside the Flood's area of interest, it's just going to double the Flood's voracious attacks...
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I thought the Flood couldn't enter the shield worlds? Anyways, even if they did get ahold of the remote, the frunners could still activate them from the lesser arc.
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[quote]I thought the Flood couldn't enter the shield worlds?[/quote] Even if they couldn't enter the interior Dyson Sphere, which they still could with the Logic Plague on their side, all they'd have to do is infest the surface and the Forerunners inside would be trapped forever. [quote]Anyways, even if they did get ahold of the remote, the frunners could still activate them from the lesser arc.[/quote] [b][i]Which is why they did.[/i][/b]
