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8/31/2022 3:44:57 PM
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A class other than warlocks is good in pve now?
Oh the horror!
Step off. Warlocks have been practically required in every single endgame pve activity since well was released.
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You mean well was required
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You mean just Well, and nothing else. Nova bomb has the 9th highest damage in the game. Geomags give chaos reach the 3rd highest damage, but has the longest duration and lower Dps then meta weapon combos. No other warlock super is even viable for anything other then simple add clear. Dawnblade is the worst PvE super, and Storm and Novawarp are add clear. Chaos reach needs a rework to its damage, and nova bomb needs its vortex damage and seekers to be buffed from using Skull of Ahamkara.
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So the only way warlocks are not good is if you completely disconnect them from Well? What kind of broken logic is that? Yes, Well specifically was required, but Well existing lead to some of if not the most broken PvE setup in destiny history with Lunafactions. Just because it's "just Well" does not mean that warlocks are weak or have been weak in PvE. Look at hunters. Tether? When melting point is better and isn't a super? Celestial? Curiass gives more damage. Hunters have never had a PvE super on the level of Well. Hell, look at titans. Bubble is the only thing that even comes close, and bubble still has worse exotics and is more annoying to use. I'll ask again. Give me an example of a super that was as potent and prominent as Well, for as long as Well was. I have a pretty distinct memory that Well was a requirement in many endgame PvE setups.
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Editado por Graviton Lance: 8/31/2022 10:32:10 PMYou’re focusing too much on well this and well that. The whole point of the OP was to say that apart from well everything else isn’t good, comparable to 3 Titan and 6 hunter combos in end game. Youre getting retentive over well and it’s not the point of any argument, because we aren’t talking about well. We are stating that other supers need more viability. The stats on super damage and DPS/utility don’t lie. Warlocks have the least for end game. Having one of the best doesn’t justify having next to nothing else. Edit- let me clarify when I’m talking about 3 Titan/6hunter combos I’m talking about super damage.
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Don’t say warlocks when you are talking about just one class and one super thats required. Everything else doesn’t exist in pve
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Give me another super that is as effective as well and has held its reign for as long as well. I'll wait.
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[quote]Give me another super that is as effective as well and has held its reign for as long as well. I'll wait.[/quote] Bubble? Did you forget that existed lol
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Bubble isn’t nearly as good as well.
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[quote][quote]Give me another super that is as effective as well and has held its reign for as long as well. I'll wait.[/quote] Bubble? Did you forget that existed lol[/quote] The only thing Bubble ever had over well was its higher damage buff. And that was nerfed to be the same as well’s. Bubble is just a well that you can’t shoot while inside at this point. Speaking in pve terms.
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As someone with both flawless and day one DSC, well is exponentially more valuable than bubble. Better scaling, better exotics, better stacking with other buffs, doesn't take up a large amount of space, doesn't require movement to maintain the buff. Etc. Bubble was only ever comparable to Well whenever Well wasn't in the game.
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Editado por boi: 8/31/2022 4:40:32 PM[quote]As someone with both flawless and day one DSC, well is exponentially more valuable than bubble. Better scaling, better exotics, better stacking with other buffs, doesn't take up a large amount of space, doesn't require movement to maintain the buff. Etc. Bubble was only ever comparable to Well whenever Well wasn't in the game.[/quote] I have a flawless DSC too- we never ran Well. Unfortunately, Well does not stack with several notable buffs anymore, which makes it more of a utility similar to where Bubble stands now Cataclysm nova is still a great alternative for warlocks, however in raid endgame content I won’t deny WoR makes the encounter easier, but that can be said the same for a defender Titan
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My day one DSC, well was required. And not just one mind you. And in my opinion, a day one clear is exponentially more difficult than a flawless Taniks. Yes, it doesn't stack anymore, but well is just now barely comparable to bubble. Bungie even said they were creating encounters around things like Luna Wells, which is why Reckoning was as difficult as it was without one. I'm not attempting to argue that Well is objectively the best pve subclass now, but acting like Warlocks are now suffering in pve is a horrible take.
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One good pve super does not a balanced class make. Side note: having "I hate warlocks" as your tagline definitely screams "listen to me, I'm impartial"
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Well has been required. Don’t mistake well with the entire warlock class. You’ll be hard pressed to find any other warlock running anything but well in high level content
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Well is required because it's the objectively best pve subclass. What other subclasses are as effective, to the point of being required for a large number of encounters? Hunters don't have anything, the only contender being Tether, which most of the time is a downgrade. Titans really only have Bubble, but any good raid team would take a well over a Bubble if given the choice. A different class can be good for a bit.
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You’re talking about well and not the class as a whole bro. One good super doesn’t make the whole class good
