For the sake of argument, how is that distinctly different than a sniper? Genuine question here, as I really don't care if it gets nerfed or not. [spoiler]The aim assist is overturned but it's flinch is the real issue. A primary within its own range should be able to pressure Lorentz with flinch[/spoiler] I mostly agree here, but at the same time - the flinch doesn't come into play because of the OHK really. I've been flinched while using Lorentz (and i'm no pro player here), but the vast majority of the time it never matters because I saw the opponent first and shot them first. I personally don't see it much different than a sniper, and due to the low ammo i'm still seeing the majority of kills coming from hand cannons and pulse in this current PVP meta. That isn't to say i'm not seeing a lot of LD usage...just that it doesn't seem to be changing the entire scope of the crucible as some are suggesting. No more than strong sniper play has in the past I should say.

Someone standing there hardscoping with a sniper will get flinched. The same cannot be said for Lorentz and Arbalest to a lesser extent. The ability to charge up and hit so easily through flinch is the issue. Obviously, if you're challenging a OHK weapon in it's optimal range without the same, you're foolish. But at standard primary range, Lorentz can still hit consistently through flinch meaning unless you're using some OHK as well, you usually lose even if you're hitting crits Snipers also have inherently way less aim assist, even on controller

[quote]Someone standing there hardscoping with a sniper will get flinched. The same cannot be said for Lorentz and Arbalest to a lesser extent.[/quote] That makes no sense. If the shooter gets the first shot off, the person that is trying to flinch them is dead and therefore a moot point. That's what i'm getting at. I don't see it all that different then coming around a corner and getting OHK from sniper. The window of opportunity to flinch your opponent in this scenario is tiny. [quote]Obviously, if you're challenging a OHK weapon in it's optimal range without the same, you're foolish. But at standard primary range, Lorentz can still hit consistently through flinch meaning unless you're using some OHK as well, you usually lose even if you're hitting crits[/quote] This is a fair point. At medium range, LD is arguably too good with the aim assist from mods. But that doesn't justify a direct weapons nerf. If anything, it justifies buffing other weapons to more properly dominate in their intended play space. I'm assuming you don't have an issue with OHK fast-charge fusions at short range? Nor shotgun slide OHK at short range? Now, that begs the question...what is the intended area of efficacy for the linear fusion rifle exotic Lorentz Driver? I thought it was a medium range intended weapon.

My point is it is too dominant and easy to use within and outside of its intended range. A nerf to aim assist and an addition to it's "flinchability" would solve the issue imo Next seasons removal of the season linear targeting mod will help but not solve the issue

But you haven't declared its intended range... Are you under the impression it's a long range intended item? [quote]Next seasons removal of the season linear targeting mod will help but not solve the issue[/quote] Next season tons of things are going to change, and some new items and abilities will become meta in the crucible. Highly likely majority will still be HC's (as it has been for years on end) lol. Suffice to say, I agree that LD is pretty strong right now - but I don't see how nerfing it will do anything other than force it to be shelved. Especially since most people think it's intended to be a long range sniper, when in reality it seems to be a medium range counter/denial tool.

Its intended range is not medium. It's medium-long. There's a distinct difference.

Agreed on that difference, but that's why I asked initially and you didn't answer. As i've always understood it, medium-long means highly effective in both those ranges. Not one or the other. I try to not misconstrue people's statements, so that's why I asked =) Now, that we both agree that its intended range is likely medium-long...is your want to push it to long range only? If so, how does it differentiate from a sniper? I think you'll find it doesn't at all were such to be the case. In short, the weapon is only viable if it is effective at medium range (at a minimum). It being effective long range as well, is arguably where it's too powerful. Suffice to say, people are asking to strip it of being effective at both medium and long range. Why even bother nerfing then, just remove it lol.

I've understood that to be the far end of medium and close end of far but not the entirety of both. Right now it's effective at the close end of medium as well as the far end still at the far end of far. This combined with its ease of use is the issue. I've already stated the changes I think need to be made to help with that. I don't think slight nerfs to aim assist and flinch resistance would destroy it at all

If it can't one head kill it's follow-up shot takes way too long to ever be effective. No I'm not saying that means do absolutely nothing I'm simply pointing out this is not a weapon that can be nerfed to fit a niche. It's either strong as an exotic or it's useless really. You did not see a great deal of use before linear fusion was a cheap mod for this season. I think that's probably the most valid point in truth.

I never said it shouldn't be a one shot to the head. It also only came out this season soooooo

Oh I know you didn't I'm more so just speaking out loud conversationally I didn't mean to imply you directly set that. I can see how my post is taken that way though, by apologies.